To The Community: Please Do Not Hate On The Ct.

Hello.

As you may know already, I have been absent for over a year and have just rejoined a month ago. During that time, tensions arose as updates were delayed and content was added that the community was mixed about. As a result, I've seen a lot of hatred being directed towards the CT, primarily because of the things that have happened within the last year.

Something we all need to realize is that the CT are volunteers devoting their time to help progress this server further into the future. Most of the content they create is out of their control, and it's not their fault if the content they make is heavily criticized by the community. They have feelings too, and they don't deserve all the somewhat mean insults and hatred they're getting for these past events.

Look, we all have opinions. I even posted a rant, not because I hate the CT but because I see things they could improve on. Things like hiring more members and being more involved with the community are just a few examples of what I think they could do, but none of it is out of hate regarding my past. I've seen other people say far more hateful things than I've ever stated, and it's just wrong.

The CT are trying their hardest. Even after all that happened with me I still appreciate what they're doing to progress this server. We all need to think this. Please, accept that the past was a slight mistake and stop hating on them for things they couldn't help. If we all do this, this server could be a better place.

 

god i hate the ct

 

I completely agree with you, altough there's @Valaerys who could do more

(jk luv u bud, pls dont kick me out of the guild)

 

who should i hate for removing the shoutbox

 

the admins

 

I don't think that saying "CT are volunteers" is an argument against hating on the CT. Just becaouse they volunteered for something doesn't mean they can't be criticized for doing a poor job. If somebody volunteered as a fire fighter but didn't help put out the fires becaouse in their opinion destoyed homes would help the economy by getting construction companies more jobs, then I think it would be fair to criticize their actions and poor decisions.

Also about the part "they have feeling too", well I too wouldn't like people to tell me my work is shit, that is just something I have to put up with, becaouse maybe IT IS shit. I honestly don't like the argument that we shouldn't criticize or even just hate for no reason other people's work becaouse we might hurt their feeling, becaouse that removes ANY possibility of disscussion. By throwing everything into one category of "hurting their feelings", we get rid off any actual critcisizm that gets caought up with everything else and we're forced to supress it, becaouse some people might take offesnse that I called their hard work shit.

 

There's a difference between criticizing and hating tho

 

If a person says things as constructive criticism, that's fine. However this usually isn't the case. Heck, I've been told by ct themselves that my rants expressing ways they could improve have hurt their feelings, as it "offended" them. And my rants are far milder than some stuff I hear other community members say.

Yes, criticism can be harsh, but this isn't exactly what I'm trying to state. People are expressing hate, saying rude things regarding what has happened and that is completely different from giving harsh criticism with ways to improve for the future. The ct doesn't deserve this hate that has arisen from past events.

 

Did you read what I wrote carefully?

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I'm gonna come out clear and say that I don't exactly understand what each wynncraft team does. But if the CT came up on their own without getting ideas pushed on them by Salted and co. then they do deserve the "hate" their getting. And I am putting the word hate in quotes becaouse as you said the CT were offended by your posts which aren't actually mean or offesnive, so i would argue that the CT are immature if even the mildest of criticizm offends them so much that they need to shut down all critcizm pointed towards them.

 

Like I stated they do deserve criticism because every work of art, whether it's a painting, a build, or a quest, is viewed differently by others and therefore will be either liked or disliked based on that person's thoughts. They are then entitled to state their criticism towards the creator, stating areas that were good, bad, and ways to fix the bad parts of what they created. In fact, criticism can benefit a creator because it helps them improve their techniques for future projects.

However, this whole criticism process isn't necessarily the issue, but rather unclear connections between the CT and the community that led to a sudden delayed update and an update adding content not everyone took lightly. I'm not saying I disliked the update, but others in the community did and as a result lashed out at the CT because of it.

The "hate" isn't coming from individual quest/build criticism but rather from other areas, mainly because of the whole "professions ruined the game" or "where is RtD" arguments people have. These are overarching topics that individual CT members have no control over and yet they keep getting slammed with the hate regarding it. The reason I wrote this is not to criticize criticism but rather to stop the unnecessary hate comments being directed at the CT by some members of the community. People should appreciate what has been accomplished, and if they don't like the update then they should keep it to themselves instead of hurting the foundation of this server with it.

 

I don't know who said professions ruined the game, but that's pretty close-minded and not what I've been seeing posted most about in response to the update.
Here are the three main reasons I did see hate come up surrounding the update:
1. XP Post-Update: https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/the-biggest-scam.242076/ That one is a must read for full context. The main topic is xp resetting after the update and how players with xp over level 101 were treated. The CT response to it was poor-at-best and abusive-at-worst. Again, read that for more context. There's a lot more to unpack there. I did a TLDR of that topic here: https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/wynncraft-isnt-what-it-used-to-be.243357/page-3#post-2995428 <- also a must read.
2. Hero Beta Feedback: I really wanted to see the posts that were in the Hero Beta Feedback section which got closed because there were a lot of thread giving constructive criticism where CT members were IMO consistently overly defensive. I can't link threads there because I don't have any to link or know where we'd go to find those links. TLDR: The CT responded defensively after reading posts again.
EDIT: I'd like to add that you can go to the feedback section here. Didn't know that was a thing. I'll begin reading those next week ;).
3. Lack of Communication: The CT really put up a hall of mirrors surrounding the update and its contents until the very end. I think the Potato Hunt was cool, and I'm not really talking about that. Specifically, the CT didn't disclose what the Eco update was about until a few weeks before its release. I understand they don't want to spoil the update, but everyone thought 'RtD!' for months and got disappointed right before its release. I've said this already elsewhere, but players have been preparing for new content since what feels like forever ago. The new professions are interesting concepts, and I like the spirit behind adding stuff to the game through the IMs as they have good game sense and balance, but that's not what people really wanted or were expecting. It was like dunking everyone in a bucket of ice water; sharp and painful at first, and only refreshing for a short while. The professions aren't bad, and harvesting in the first few hours was fun, but the grind is terrible (seriously 2000+ nodes for a level is just not game design and profession bombs shouldn't be the only way to play). I think there was too much "look at how much longer you'll play!" and not enough "look at how much new stuff there is!". A content update with a whole new crafting system and marketplace rightfully *should* take "161482 new lines of code ... and 46298 lines of code were changed". Sadly it's really really really hard for players to see the lines of code, regardless of what APIs are in place. (I have suggestions for improving the API that are separate but deserve a note here, so this is that note). Again, content is what people see, and there wasn't enough of that in the Eco Update. I feel like hiding stuff is what the CT has done best for a while and that's really sad because what they're doing IS great, it's just not the kind of content people were waiting for because they weren't told generally what to expect. Until we get more transparency it's going to be tough for there to be more trust among community members and the CT, and that tension is what starts the hate.

 

Regarding gathering grind, it's actually ~20 nodes per 1% and ~2000 for a full level, in the area approaching level 100.

 

Fixed ;) Also added a link to the thread where you posted for more clarity.

 

this paragraph ruined this post

 

It is natural for many criticisms to come along with hate, especially among the most passionate of individuals. Good on the content team for having, from what I've seen, tough skin. It's the norm to be hated by anyone always if you create something.

 

EDIT:
Okay.
Sure.

I'm going to be flat with this: I disagree.

Those guys that are actually hating on the CT or are going to a personal level with critique need to shut the fuck up and find something else to do... but. A lot of critique is getting shoved off as hate.

Some of the CT's reasonings behind ideas are subpar and make me question their reasoning. With the level 101 thing, how did you come to the conclusion that removing billions of XP from people because 3 combat levels that do jack shit were added and forcing them to do another 50 hours of.. some sort of grinding was a solution to motivating people to explore more? Or play the game more and not complete it instantly? Like the 1300 new levels weren't motivation enough?


A good portion of the community keeps on acting like the CT and Admins are infallible and even most of the people fed up with the content team generally let a lot of things they do pass or keep quiet about some of our criticism.. but the 101 thing, the fact that for a game that forces you to grind for 50 hours, they're doing a pretty good job at making it a pain in the ass to grind in the first place, and the attitudes of some.. I'm starting to lose patience. There have been so many questionable changes or events, some of them private between me and the staff that even I, the most rebellious and authority-disrespecting person on the forums, was willing to just shut up and deal with, or pretended to be happy with.. now I'm just sick of it. If this is how the community is going to be; a lack of communication, a good portion of us just letting some things slide that didn't need to slide, and people putting criticism under the guise of hateful comments... Then it isn't a community I want to be a part of, or deal with.

This is exactly what happened to Hypixel, and look at that place now.

 

How exactly did that paragraph ruin anything? I know first hand that they've criticized me for criticizing their content, so I felt it was necessary to bring that up. Some criticisms they are getting are far more than just a simple negative statement, and usually for things they can't really help.

Creators have to realize that everything they make is subject to criticism. Some people just go too far with it, creating hatred instead of constructive points. I'm honestly surprised they got offended by my rant even though it was milder than some have done about other CT related topics.

Feel free to use this text if you want. I'm just trying to get the community on the right note when it comes to CT criticism.

 

Public mediums that act as a liaison between the people and some higher power are always filled with people that express grief in the form of hate. Whether it be the mobs that gathered in town hall meetings, riots that gain publicity from the media, or really any forums you'll find hate. To tell people to not hate is going against this natural tradition of expressing grief towards a higher power. People have always done this and will always do this, it's a byproduct of our social structures and the ethics ingrained within our DNA. That is why people are offended by your rant. They want to express hate, it's natural, it's human, it's something we all do and all have done. If you think the stuff said on this forums is too far, then I'm sorry but all of this has so far been relatively mild. It's a good thing to encourage a positive attitude towards development, and it's good to explain that not all things rest upon the shoulders of the content team. But hate shows the level of dissatisfaction among the people, and is revealing to the higher power of their situation. Governments are toppled, because they turn a blind eye to the hate that boils within their critics, the people. There would be no hate if there was no criticism that warrants it, but here we are. Dozens, maybe hundreds, of players who are hateful towards the Wynn staff, due to flaws that warrant hate. You've done nothing wrong, but my statement concludes that hate is fine so long as it is constructive.

 

20 words or less. I can barely even understand the first 3 sentences.

 

Thanks.