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Archer Escape Spell Needs Nerf!

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by _D_r_a_g_0_n_, Jan 31, 2019.

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Does the archer class's escape spell need a nerf/replacement?

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  1. _D_r_a_g_0_n_

    _D_r_a_g_0_n_ Newbie Adventurer

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    So I, a level 46 Assassin Class was playing some Wynncraft with my friend who is a level 51 Archer Class, and he kept asking me to duel him, and I agreed to it, but he kept just using his goddamn Escape Spell to get up onto buildings and snipe me out in the open. It's just so goddamn annoying, what they could do is replace the escape spell and or balance the escape spell by having it launch the player not as far.

    If you have any opinions on this topic, I would love to hear them in the replies!
     
  2. J mun

    J mun Snoisty VIP+

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    Sorry, but wynncraft is not a pvp game. Wynncraft is an rpg. Assassin is a up close and personal class. Archer is a ranged class.
    Edit: Also, Archer has the least defense of all the classes. Assassin has the second best defense as a class.
     
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  4. _D_r_a_g_0_n_

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    Archer can also get good armor
     
  5. J mun

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    I mean literally, they have the worst defense. Archers are glass-canons, they have high damage but low defense. While they can get good armor, the armor usually gives that person a damage boost if you look at some high level builds.
     
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    Ah I didn't know that, Thank's for the Info!
     
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    maybe you could try to reach that place while vanished since u get speed and jump boost also if it doesnt work just vanish and throw smoke bomb at them to force them down
     
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    All classes have natural strengths and weaknesses. When you go to look at your class selection, see what your class is good and bad at.
     
  9. _D_r_a_g_0_n_

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    Ok, Thanks!
     
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    Ice Bear says that the level and gear difference plays a large factor too.
     
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    Escape spell needs a rework tbh. It covers too much distance and gives an op buff. Speed allows you to dodge everything and cheese parkour. The speed of escape is ridiculous too, you can go neck and neck with a white horse lol, especially for its cost. Plus, in combat it was designed to create distance from you and your enemy. Which is kinda dumb considering your highest dps attack requires you to be hugging your enemy. Most players use escape to get high ground and travel, that's pretty much all it's good for. Really can't "escape" your enemies when, by the time you land, they catch up to you. The spell that actually makes distance from you and your enemy is arrow shield, so escape should really be called white horse.
     
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    I completely agree with all of your points made in this.
     
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    Ice Bear thinks escape is fine it is meant for no pun intended escaping when you are too close to an enemy you use escape to build distance. Also, you cannot go neck to neck with a white horse unless you use a speed build with the archer speed. Seems contradictory that you say that it covers a lot of distance but is not enough to get away from enemies. Ice Bear says the spell arrow storm is just a backup spell when enemies get too close not mainly used for damage.
     
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    Escape has blind. If a mob is ever anywhere near you when you use escape, just shift before landing and boom, they're blinded. This can also be used for stunlocking without the use of arrow shield, as arrow shield's kb may sometimes be an issue when trying to do this. However, I do agree that escape is ridiculously strong overall (arguably one of the best spells in the game), as are most of archer's spells. Arrow storm annihilates any mob you focus off the face of the planet, arrow shield provides great kb, as you stated, and stunlock potential, and bomb arrow just is an all around good AoE spell. The thing keeping it from being ridiculously broken is how glassy it is, with or without agility/ridiculous amounts of hp. Also, it being fast and having that boost makes sense (and I can confirm that you do not go as fast as a white horse without at least a decent amount of ws). It's supposed to be the best in movement and range out of all the classes. The only reason it does the most dps out of all of them, even over assassin, is because of arrow storm, but utilizing arrow storm as your main source of damage runs the risk of having to get close to a mob as archer (and mobs can still use spells even if stunlocked).
     
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    When I said you go neck and neck to a white horse I meant speed as in spamming your escape spell repeatedly. Not like the speed III you get from it. Also, note that most battles that require the escape spell are in enclosed areas, where yeah you can't cover a large enough distance that's safe. From my experience, escape spell's full distance is not realized in combat, especially when enemies entirely halt your momentum when you take damage. Escape against projectile enemies never work, and if you're in a small space then good luck with that. CoW for example is in this tiny cave, and escape will only make you hit your head on the ceiling, and that will actually slow you down more than just running with speed III. Also, arrow shield is that supposed backup spell when enemies get too close. There's a reason why arrow storm does so much dps, and that attack is what makes the devs think that archer is a dps class. Problem is, the spread of all three arrow streams is too far apart, and enemy hit boxes are too small. So good luck to anyone trying to land even two streams at mid-range.
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    Yeah the blind can be helpful, but it's risky against fast enemies as you'll slam your ass into their faces and take damage before you stun them. Really not a reliable means of stunning enemies unless they're slow. Archer's purpose is to do high dmg from mid-long range, but high damage is only a reality if you're up close for archer.
     
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    Not really. Even against fast enemies I can just slam on them no problem, not too mention the blind from escape is also very long (~2-3 seconds I believe). High damage is easily a reality without arrow storm because bomb arrow is so spammable if you alternate between spells. Is it as much as if you would use arrow storm instead? No, but like I said earlier, trying to use arrow storm as your main source of damage is very risky compared to using bomb.
     
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    Arrow storm does a lot more dps than bomb arrow, yes bomb arrow does good damage, but not high damage. At least not in comparison to other classes and other abilities. Also, in open air I have no trouble either with escape, but like caves and shit where I bonk my head, I don't go as far as I want so I end up hovering right above enemies. Also bomb arrow costs more or just as much as arrow storm I believe.
     
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    Regarding archer speed, Escape spamming can keep up with a non-dungeon chestnut on open ground if the player knows what they're doing. Archer cannot keep up with a white horse even on perfectly flat ground using just Escape (have tested). And obstacles make escape movement much more difficult - in particular, any significant tree coverage makes Escape spamming much less effective. (I've had plenty of time to train my Escape skills since I spend so much time in CotL)
     
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    if u wanna complain about how op something is then complain about charge lmao, can spam it mid air for flight, it nullifies fall damage, does insane damage, you can control the direction you want to go even after you cast it to dodge obstacles or anything AND it looks cool as hell
     
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    Yeah... After you get used to it, it can be really useful
     
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