Guide Ranking Mythics Properly

i'm poor and don't have a strati, but i do have a gale's build which is completely powercrept in 99% of stats by the strati build i just sent and i can solo LI and most wars (can't do 1ks)

 

2 out of the 4 you listed here I gave the exact rank you stated (Strati and GMA). Spring you made the first mistake I listed in the thread about ranking mythics:

For freedom you made a general claim (The MOST well-rounded weapon) and proceeded to compare Freedom to mythics from other classes. Have you taken a look at ALL THE OTHER RAINBOW BOWS. They all have few or no distinct negative stats. Not Zero, Not Awakening, Not FoC, Not Prismatic Pendulum. That's not a unique feature or OP.

*third best to GMA and Divzer

If you're using freedom on Qira then you don't deserve the mythic or are messing around. Either way, that's redundant. About pricing:

ummm what. they're almost identical

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Also: Poll is open again.

 

No you didn't. For strati you gave S and Gma you gave A. However the rank I gave are very much identical to the ranks that you gave and I respected and admitted many of your points which were valid and reasonable. Yet when I gave my view on things I have no idea why you are being overly aggressive towards what I'm saying and attacking every one of my sentences.

I did compare it with other archer rainbow bows. However obviously they are all inferior to Freedom except one which at least has a chance against Freedom and that being Hive which I mentioned later. Also since this is a mythic discussion I kept legendary businesses as least as possible by mentioning only one and my only choice left is other rainbow weapons from other classes since you said that each mythic must be compared with mythics of similar attributes which I totally agree.

I'm not playing favorites and I have used 5 of the archer mythics Spring, Freedom, GMA, Ignis, and Az while you are only talking in theory. From experience Spring was very good before with decent damage however the nerf surely hurt. After the nerf I did some tests on a Freedom and Spring build and it was definitely inferior which was why I sold it.

Yes you are right that was a very general claim. I meant that at least when compared to other archer mythics, Freedom is very well-rounded since I have already compared Freedom with other rainbow bows with Freedom clearly being superior. What's left is Freedom vs other rainbow mythics and by looking at their stats I concluded that Freedom is very versatile and well-rounded. I don't need to mention anything about collapse. Nullification is very good defensively but that's about it. It heavily lacks offensive power from low dmg to no mr to no spell nor melee boost and no dmg boost. I agree that Freedom doesn't give defence boosts but it also has other nice things such has hp, ws, and thorns. As for Singularity it lacks even more well-rounedness with only 6 stats and one of them being a hefty penalty of -65% to -35% ws. The hp regen and spell dmg raw is nice but it doesn't give any elemental boost nor hp and thorns and all that stuff. Also notice that Freedom is the only rainbow mythic to give skill points.

haha yea I guess you could say I'm messing around. Saw StoopidDog do it on youtube and got curious. At least I did some dmg to her first form :P

As for pricing I've seen good Springs go for less than 10 now and that mythic price check thread was very old. Someone needs to make a new one.

 

We are measuring how well rounded they are tho. Your statement makes no sense. You either don't see that they are in fact all well rounded, or are intentionally overlooking it. I'm not saying they're better than Freedom. I'm simply using the metric you stated and coming to a vastly different conclusion. Yes there are other well rounded bows. Yes Freedom is well rounded. Yes Hive is too. Ofc hive is worse than Freedom.

Yea, you're right and yea, you're wrong. I gave the same rank but you say I didn't. Either way, both are good bows, so we can leave it at that.

Now that is a reason for a ranking. Your first description was not giving me anything to work with besides: my mythic is worse now and I don't like that.
Yes, that's how a nerf works is the only response I have for your first desc. But saying that Spring is definitely inferior to Freedom is a comparison that I can analyze. Thank You.
For your information, Freedom was nerfed and is going to be indirectly nerfed in the coming patch. With the morph nerf, libra nerf, and others, items that were commonplace in Freedom builds are no longer as effective, forcing players to make dramatically different builds.

Aha. The problem is:

I'm ranking items by same class and slot counterparts. You're comparing any mythic across classes which isn't equitable. That's not the goal of this thread, but here's what I think about comparing the rainbow mythics specifically:
1. Freedom
2. Nulli
3. Sing
4. Collapse
No descriptions cause I don't have time for that and it will probably be self explanatory.

 

I've soloed Qira with Freedom (no pots) in 4 mins, it's easy and just as fast as any other bow i've used xd

 

I do neigh 0 damage with my build so you've got high raw spell don't you. Link?

 

my thread might be old but it's also being updated

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I use your build wym .-.
Unless you changed it

 

WAIT WHAT??? LIBRA IS GETTING NERFED AGAIN???? WHAT THE FUCK ITEM TEAM!

 

Oh shit I haven't played Qira since they changed her phases didn't I. You probably could do the Qira fight now lol. Ignore that last one ;)
Also it hasn't changed: https://wynndata.tk/s/18q6aR
But I just did this if you're looking to spice it up a little: https://wynndata.tk/s/Rncdtg

 

idk if I can use another Freedom build tbh because that full legendary one just looks too satisfying, altho I use Gigabyte instead of Diamond Fusion

Altho that other one uses Stellar and I have a really good Stellar.. Decisions

 

Still waiting for Ignis to be moved up. Gonna be fair here, Ignis doesn't match to the same level of freedom, Spring, Strati or Gma
BUT Ignis is very well not deserving the same rank as Az and Divzer...

https://wynndata.tk/s/i9QYrC

1: only 75 Def to use, meaning you can have lower def and its fairly easy to put it with other
elements like water and air

2: There are no NEGATIVES use that to your advantage, its a great boost

3: Ignis's damage isn't bad, 12.5k from the build above isn't mediocre with 7/4 mr

4: The good def stats are actually very beneficial with Health, Hpr and def bonus because with this bow you can trade damage and defence/health that isn't as well needed without severally hurting your build. (basically saying that you can actually use items like Fire Sanctuary withut going under 10k health or have lower def items and still having decent surviability which isn't really the same story with other items like Spring)

5: You say that Az is better than Ignis, which hopefully is a joke because Az you trade dmg and defense, High dmg will get you very low defence, Higher health will get you very low damage
Show me a build that can directly have as good survivability & dmg & mana regen as the Ignis build and I'll change my mind on this

Ignis isn't just being tank archer, You can use this item with lower health/def items that have good spell or fire damage which can boost your damage very well while still having decent survivability, this bow is flexible, you can very well use it with other elements that will help spammability, survivability, and damage.
Ignis isn't terrible and its not very well respected in this tier list, Its not the best, but its definitely not the worst, which I believe that Ignis could deserve a B tier rank because of its wide range of great abilities, but doesn't deserve to be at the bottom

 

I agree that it's above the other 2 bows. Ignis is now C rank. Still meh, but not nearly as bad as the other 2.

 

why does everyone hate divzer ;-;
it does actually insane damage
https://wynndata.tk/s/BkRqjx
i understand it’s glassy af but i honestly don’t think divzer deserves a d rank, maybe c or d+?

 

Without agility, Archer is trash. Even if you have large amounts of health and good defense, the 40% armor penalty heavily negates that. Plus defense doesn’t block elemental damage, so if you get caught in a flame thrower, you are done for.

 

divzer and cata are really similar, i really dont understand why people think divzer is shit

 

They may seem similar but they aren’t. Cata penalizes the player with negative hp, whereas Divzer penalizes with negative agility. Having less health is easier to fix than having no agility, because you can slap on a tanky items like Hepaedtus-Forged Greaves or Vaward amd be relatively ok. Even if you don’t quite fix your hp, you can always rely on having a ton of agility. Whereas with Divzer, you can’t fix your agility no matter which items you equip. It doesn’t matter if you manage to get 12k or even 14k health because defense doesn't block elemental damage, and the most neutral damage you can block as an archer is less than 40% anyway. Hence why defense archer is subpar compared to archers that rely also on agility, and assasin can afford to invest less in health and defense.

 

You're wrong about Cataclysm, in fact, more wrong than any other review I've ever read. This is most likely caused by your inexperience in the weapon. Explain how 12-20k spins, 7/4 mana regen, exceptional defenses, 40% something mana cost reduction, and 10k hp is bad? Can Grimtrap pull something off that's as equally insane? Cataclysm excels in PvShit Mobs, PvB, and PvP (though irrelevant). You 1-2 shot non-boss enemies, and melt through bosses. If you have trouble dying in boss fights, then maybe you should use your second spell.

 

This question isn't really related to the discussion at hand, but can freedom not pierce Qira well or something? I used standard rainbow powdered hive bow against Qira and it seemed to pierce her pretty effectively, so I would expect freedom to do it even better.
Unless this is reference to old Qira in which case yeah you would've been screwed.

 

Yes. We're old. Ignore us.

haha. That's a good joke. You can tell by how seriously I was laughing. You're always going straight to the flame wars aren't you. Cut the crap and actually analyze the weapon before attacking the people you're discussing with. It's not furthering your argument to attack me. If you don't think I've built enough with Cata, that's an opinion I can accept. However, I have said this before:

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/cata-2-0.236817/
and made these builds with cata:
https://wynndata.tk/s/pXifWF
https://wynndata.tk/s/Ddl6KJ
https://wynndata.tk/s/TPinKw
https://wynndata.tk/s/GPv0QV
There are more, but these are the only ones worth posting again. I hope you can see I do care about Cata personally (it was my first mythic drop after all), but I have stripped the nostalgia goggles for the purpose of reviewing the mythics. I feel you have not:

Any weapon can excel in those environments given the right builds and you even said PvP was irrelevant. Most builds can 2-3 shot non-boss enemies without also receiving massive damage in return. No other dagger is going to rip through bosses as quickly as Cata because it's the msot damaging dagger. That's a given, and I did address in my review: "Cataclysm has made a name for itself as being the most damaging item in the game.". Also, link that build.

Yes. 40% mana reduction compared to 60%+ on other builds means Grimtrap will never have to stop casting given 8-9 MR. 6-7 on Cata is just not enough with 40%. Also 12k-20k is WAY over exaggerated. Cata, like other high damage thunder weapons, can roll for very very low damage too. Its actual range is typically 6k-19k. Using wynndata's average instead of the actual minimum is very misleading. Every link you send me, Cata will never have damage that has a minimum above 10k if it isn't totally glass. Reason: Damage% isn't enough to inflate low damage and +raw Spell has been nerfed or removed entirely from common spell items, unless you're just building for damage and no HP or defenses.

 

I enjoyed the thread a lot tbh

then I looked at the daggers section

I take it back