Guilds [guild Fortresses]

Lul the wiki

1:PvP =/= PvE and PvP is insanely broken
2:Once again this is a game not real life, in real life people risk their lives because they decided to serve and protect their country, people war in wc because they want to have fun
3:Your arrogance is killing me... no system is perfect, especially not yours.
4:Even if players are active nobody wants spend ages making a battle plan that will potentially fail "but if you make a good plan then you have less of a chance to fail" 3 words: glitches and lag "but my system is perfect" whatever helps you sleep at night
5:Its not supposed to? and your system is enjoyable to you almost everyone has pointed out some, or many, flaws that could be improved, and instead of listening to/working with the community and finding work arounds that could make as many people happy you decide to keep standing on what little ground you have.

Im done arguing with you because your ignorance and arrogance is wasting my time.
i bet 64 potatos that he wont drop it

 

@tigersrule12 I'm not taking that bet.

Also, do you realize that Wynn is an MMORPG?
And that the AIs are very simplistic?
Additionally, you seem to fail to understand what constitutes strategy in Wynn.
I shall put it in one word:
Builds.
Should you need explanation of what I mean, I'm sorry I missed the funeral for your brain cells.

 

Then they should fix it, it is not my concern all I am suggesting is a better way to use the Guilds

It was an example because you said that they wouldn't want to start GW because they would lose too much. With the current system I believe that they won't have any less fun whatsoever.

Obviously, the issue is that you do not have valid points. I have answered in-depth all the negative criticism comments and you just keep repeating yourself. "How do you know the community will like this", my response to that is; I don't. Just like you don't.

Again, my system is not perfect it is just that you have invalid points and you are spending time thinking how you can be more toxic instead of actually finding flaws in the system. People may not want to spend ages planing a strategy that may fail but that isn't the case at all. When I said 1 week in the other strategy game I have been playing it was an extreme example to show you how dedicated a leader must be in order for the army to go forth.

You would require max 2 hours in order to find a smart plan. A very basic one is, Warriors (Tanks) forth, Archers back, Assassins assisting Warriors while the Warriors draw attention on them and mages heal and attack along with the archers. It is a very simple plan but something like that could work on a weak guild.

You are literally wasting your time being toxic. I am not the one who is going to work on fixing those as just like you pointed out in a very toxic and disrespecting way, I don't have much experience. You, the one that has experience, is the one who must recommend changes. Yet you simply keep repeating your invalid points.

None of you have points. You keep saying "I will lag and lose my Mythic items".

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I have been playing WoW even before Wynn was a thing, you really aren't the one to tell me what an MMORPG is. In WoW whenever we were planning an attack we always took sometime to think of a plan, and you guessed correctly, we won every time just because we had a plan.

No, the strategy is not just "Builds" because you may have the most op armour but I can have 4 decent level players with different classes and destroy you easily. You see, you are very arrogant and don't want to admit that you've got no points.

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I said that I shall not accept any hate. Anyhow, you can keep talking sh*t and not improving the idea, you're the one losing here.

 

From somewhat skimming through this thread and reading replies I think everything OP is saying can be summed up with one quote

Sure, it may be a bit ignorant to deny a suggestion due to lack of experience but from messages like

shows some obvious inexperience with the game as a whole and not just guild wars. Basically, listen to what these people are telling you op since they have much more experience than you it seems in guild wars and you deflect all criticism.

As for the suggestion, it is fine, but adding unnecessary consequences to the death system is not fun, and saying all of this under the "it makes it more realistic" is not a valid point especially when there is already a guild overhaul coming soon.

 

Ideas/Thoughts on a suggestion = toxic
Insults = good response
Point = mute because I don't know that Wynn with items invole bugs

 

If only they had constructive criticism. Read the first message, they had a point and so I accepted their feedback and changed a lot of stuff in my thread.

You see, this is the problem you all focus on this one thing that can literally be changed in one second by just clicking the Edit button but you don't give me good enough reasons. "Do you know how difficult it is to get Mythic?" No- tell me. If you actually put time into your responses I would be willing to change the entire thread even the name of the idea just to satisfy you. Of course, this doesn't go towards you but all the other people.

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They said their thoughts in a toxic and disrespecting way. The feedback I got from the first few responses was okay and thus changed a lot of the content of my idea.

 

no such thing

 

Oh right so there isn't some armour that is above all the others even for one HP...? Mythic Armour is rarer than Legendary Armour and the hardest to find in the game. It is either dropped by mobs or found in Loot chests.

Mythic armour is considered the "op armour" in the above example.

 

*me thinks about warchief and boreal*

 

Cack.
Time to debunk this.
Here are the Mythic armors:
Discoverer
Crusade Sabatons
Warchief
Boreal
Galleon

Discoverer is absolutely worthless in wars since it gives no health and no boosts to anything but loot bonus and XP.
Crusade Sabatons is actually inferior to a certain rare item (Statue) in terms of its main stat (and other stats).
Warchief is impossible to use and its downsides outweigh the benefits (ask any expert on Mythics, like @Madkurre ).
Boreal would be good if not for the fact that its only selling point is Health Regen (which is useless in combat, as HPR turns off during combat)
Galleon is/are water boots. But it boosts melee and Earth damage.

 

Which means that you just answered to a previous point of yours that "Losing Mythic armour is too much" ;)

 

Alright now that I can take the time to make a proper response time to throw my hat into the ring

Yes, this will make guild wars a lot harder and require a lot more strategy. But you do this in such a horrible way that it ruins the entire suggestion. Your basically making it so when you die, its essentially wipes your progress to gain the gear you got. If you mess up or lag one time, that could be hours of work down the drain, especially if one has a mythic. Yes, it would make you plan more, but the thing is nobody would be there to plan because nobody in the right mind would risk losing all of ones build for guild wars.

first of all, these responses may be the most arrogant thing I have ever seen on these forums.

Secondly, the problem isnt that we disagree that guild wars could be more strategic. I personally love the idea of adding more planning and strategy to guild wars. But your just doing it in such a horrid way, which ruins the entire suggestion.

Again, cut the tone, it just makes people hate you. To answer your question, getting a mythic typically takes tens of hours to lootrun/ grind your way through the economy to get one. what your suggesting is adding the possibility to wipe all that work of the face of the earth in an instant.

 

Nope
i never said anything about mythic armor

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Your ignorance isn't our problem. I assure you, if you were to ask an experienced player on how hard it is to get a mythic item, I can assure your that the answers will be more or less uniform.

 

Then you don't lose your items on death. Problem solved.

As the user above said, Mythic are useless in battle (The armour at least) which means that nobody will use it in GW.

 

You seem to be forgetting.
That people will use mythic weapons.

 

"If you were to ask an experienced player on how hard it is to get a mythic item, I can assure your that the answers will be more or less uniform" - Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Anyway, You just don't have points that's all you are just a group of toxic people who don't have points. I change the drop items on death so there goes all your negative comments about the idea. Now you can go ahead and read the rest of the thread and respond if you like the rest of it.

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I clearly said The armour at least

 

Yes.
But as long as one facet of Mythic usage remains available, the argument that they are hard to get still stands.

 

There is no argument, items don't drop on death.

 

Somebody owes me 64 potatos
And seriosly, stop being an ass to everyone that dissagrees, youre the one with the suggesstion so its your job to improve it

 

I actually quite enjoy the detail you put into your suggestion. I've read parts of it, and it seems that you have given deep thought into changing the dynamic and strategy aspects of the guild system. I'll say that this is needed, as currently the system is simply about holding the most territories, with the entire guild war mechanics being kept afloat by the competitive nature of the players.


Some criticism:

This cannot happen. I'll try to explain it in best terms, but punishing players for failing does not make the game seem more challenging or contribute anything to making it more fun. It makes it frustrating, and makes peopleThis is specifically true for players who own mythic items. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, but mythics have somewhere around a 0.0007% chance of dropping? Not too sure off the top of my head, but they're FAR more rare than you are thinking they are. I've found a mere 13 mythics playing the game (one today actually) ever since they were released back when Gavel dropped, which was a couple of years ago. For perspective, most people don't come close to even finding 2 in their experiences on Wynn.


I'll continue posting criticism and making remarks as I analyze your suggestion, but one more thing:

Stop being so aggressive when responding to what others have to say. Insulting others isn't going to make your suggestion any better, but rather just incite a flame war and even more toxicity.

EDIT: Oh nice, you changed the item drop mechanic as I was writing this post. I'll leave my post here, as I hope it clarifies some things as to why so many people hate the item loss part of your new 'guild wars' suggestion.