Game Design The New Qira

So @Dwicey and I just fought the new qira and here are the changes:

The boss is split into 3 forms.
They might be different but I didnt notice any difference tbh
1st ranged
2nd ranged I think didnt pay attention too much
3rd one is I think melee

I interviewed dwicey about this
heres how it went down

"How'd you feel in general about the fight?"

"How was qira's new third melee form?"

"How is her damage in general?"

"What about her drones?"


Based on personal opinion and dwicey's as well, I'd like to make a few suggestions.
As something that's supposed to be done at sort of a 100 ish level, its a bit too easy.

If Selvut wants to keep the 3 forms, that's fine. But they need to be buffed.

Make qira more tanky in the 3rd form, as its the last form of the fight.
Also, she is slower than ganondorf in SSB. Even stuck in a web she couldn't hit me once.

Increase the drone spawnrate/count. for what they should be doing (they are the source of the dps) it's not enough to have like 5 drones just tickling you.

Make her black snowballs of death more powerful. Or at least, make it a higher fire rate. She does too little damage.

If selvut wanted to nerf the fight
uh
wellthen this thread is literally pointless

 

LOL

 

First form:
210000 health. 1% regen(2100)
Support AI, with 0.5 attack rate(support AIs tend to shoot two projectiles at once for some reason, so I halved the attack rate...)
This means she follows her drones(who no longer take damage from her projectiles).
1000-3000 neutral damage
200-600 all element damage
Spells:
50% SPIDERWEB(6 sec timer)
12.5% HEAL(8 sec timer)
25% HEAVY FLAMETHROWER(4 sec timer, deals 70% or 80% dmg)
12.5% HEAVY PUSH(2 sec timer)
Takes 0% knockback

Second form:
210000 health. 1% regen(2100)
Melee AI, with 1.5 attack rate
Moves at 0.55 speed, which is slightly faster than player walking speed
1000-3000 neutral damage
200-600 all element damage
Spells:
33% SPIDERWEB(7 sec timer)
16.75% HEAVY PULL(3 sec timer)
16.75% VANISH(0 sec timer) <I tried Heavy Vanish, which gives a speed boost, but it was just cheap and unfair.>
16.75% HEAVY TELEPORT(2 sec timer, deals 25% dmg)
16.75% HEAVY MULTIHITS(7 sec timer, deals 25% dmg per hit, 275% total)
Takes 25% knockback

Third form:
280000 health. 1% regen(2800)
Ranged AI, with 1.5 attack rate
1000-3000 neutral damage
200-600 all element damage
Spells:
50% SPIDERWEB(7 sec timer)
16.67% TELEPORT(2 sec timer)
16.67% METEOR(4 sec timer, deals 150% or 175% dmg)
16.67% HEAVY PULL(4 sec timer)
Takes -25% knockback

Drones respawn rate was increased from 0.5% to 5%, but nerfed in that they can no longer Self-Destruct, except for the air drone.

She deals the exact same damage as she did before, and in fact her spell damage in the last form was increased since she no longer can just -decide to hit you- with Heavy Teleport.

Making her melee form much faster will make it completely unfair for slower builds, as she'll just catch up to you and hit you with nothing you can do about it.

 

What mage build did you use?

 

ah thanks for clearing things up with stats.
its kinda hard to notice in game with a ranged build tbh

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dwicey used some compiler idk

 

I used this, but like I said It's half-finished and ruined because it used prowess.

 

I guess it's an improvement over the previous version, but she's still incredibly boring and not fun at all. As an archer, nothing has really changed because it's still just hold A and spam attacks from a distance.

 

I know this isnt the place for this but why bpa with fire comp?

 

selv as a suggestion
so uh you know how the drones are nerfed right
why not make it like the FF arena (the bomb drops from the ceiling) and make that giant spider drop webs as well

 

Not only is that incredibly finicky and has a tendency to stop working, but the only reason that's acceptable is because the bombs deal damage. There would be no real good way to remove the webs from the floor as it would directly change blocks, and that would also interfere with the actual spiderweb spell by making the webs permanent until the area was left. In other words, it'd become so clogged with webbing after awhile that you'd be forced to either die or restart the fight.

The drones' only nerf was that they no longer self-destruct, aside from the air one.

 

Qira needs to spawn a swarm of drones every time one of her forms dies (except the last one). It would make it harder to escape her attacks from the new form her every death and you will notice a difference when she changes form.

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How about invincible static mobs on the ceiling that use the cobweb spell once in a while?

 

Literally impossible.

Looking up so you don't get randomly fucked is fun, right?
If you're hit by that, it should be your own fault, not some cheap gimmick. It wouldn't make the fight any more fun, plus they'd get in the way of Escapes since Spiderweb can't reach down that many blocks.

 

I was using something else, like I said It's not finished/missing items reee

 

I remember when we used to get a gang of like 20 people and still not be able to defeat it, (exaggeration), I remember managing to pick up and extra master catalyst and prising it, now I find my extra one useless, I liked when it was hard, when it was just as hard as finding people to help you with ??? quest. I also hated spending forever trying to defeat it. Most of this is an exaggeration but I still want it to be buffed not as hard as it used to be, but not as easy.

 

I find the Qira fight easy now. I liked the feeling when you'd get to Qira Hive and be like "Holy Crap I'm doomed" - I used to need help to kill her (And take several attempts to do so) now I can just go there and solo it. I do enjoy the 3 forms she has now, more Qira to kill muahaha Ψ(￣∀￣)Ψ

 

the qira parties were by far one of my favorite times on wynn. when everybody was still leveling (no one was lvl 100), still finding new items, having to actually get a group of people instead of being able to solo everything in the game, and quests to look forward to. but of course this was right after the gavel update and cant be replicated unless theres another update on scale of gavel (never).

i still need to give this new qira a go. never had a reason to fight it but might give my 2 cents after

 

yeah good times

 

Imo this new Qira is way too easy, her elemental defenses are ridiculously low, it's not a great challenge at all anymore. I suggest increasing her elemental defenses. I used to like (and fear a little bit) this battle, but since it can be soloed easily now I can't see any pros. of this new Qira, it just really looks like a Dr. Legendary bossfight but a bit stronger. Sorry, but imo this new Qira is just worse, weak and lame, not a great challenge anymore. It doesn't give that proudness for killing her like before when she was actually a formidable opponent.

 

Before she was just a statue basically that shot things and just refused to take dmg. That may be a challange but not a interesting challange. Merely a pain. I am fine with making her tougher if needed however i disagree to making her current design anywhere near what old Qira was. It was tough but not interesting ._.

 

defenses still 1350?