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An Idea Which May ' Ease The Pain ' ...

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Glamazon_, Nov 30, 2017.

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Do you agree?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Glamazon_

    Glamazon_ *SCREAMS IN HOMOSEXUAL* VIP

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    Again, nothing is a solution. Everything added to the server adds temporary hype which eventually fades away. But that doesn't make this abusable, which is your claim. If you want to carry this conversation, please take it to PM as this is not a debate thread.
     
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  2. Major_Lue

    Major_Lue Famous Adventurer HERO

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    It's a suggestion thread and it remains relevant? Either way, this isn't what I was talking about when I said "realistic way to make it fair for everyone" as this isn't realistic, nor fair for everyone (being luck based).
     
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  3. OGK

    OGK The Grader CHAMPION

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    I'm... just gonna grade this...later...
     
  4. OGK

    OGK The Grader CHAMPION

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    As well as making it easier for future buffs and nerfs.
    Alright, let's hear them.
    (Couldn't take parts as I wanted to grade this together as it runs together smoothly.... kinda...)
    -Yes the Roundings have made some items completely terrible or just more unused (Looking at you Morph set and Pisces)
    -Re-Iding for free seems a bit broken... a BIT... can be reworked I guess...
    -A person starting a rage and riot? This sounds a bit much... But at MOST this is either lowering or heightening an ID by 1.
    -Is the Reroll for EACH item you have?

    There isn't much I can grade off of. I understand that the idea is more fleshed out in the comments... but in all honesty, I don't want to go through that mess... I can regrade if you want, or grade the other ideas from the comments. But understand that this would cause the grading to be a bit slower...

    Suggestion Idea: 82% B
    General Suggestion: 73% C

    Overview:
    There is some more ways to resolve this issue. As well as people should have expected the Mana and Attack Speed nerf as they both were extremely broken. Yes each stat has been nerfed in some weapon, but at most it is by 1. As though I do like the idea of this, it can receive a bit more detail on how the Rerolls will be. Or on how they can be done as I am sure this can be abused (especially with Mythics) and can be glitchy/buggy. I'm not the best at coding though, so I could be wrong about this. But in the end, just flesh it out a bit.

    Have a Good Day!
    -OGK

    In my opinion... 1 doesn't really make a huge difference. You guys are just overreacting as we all saw Mana and Attack Speed going to be nerfed. The Skill Point bonus was a bit unexpected but manageable. Also in all reality, when the true nerfs with the IDs happen. I think they're going to do what they did with Gavel, have everything Un-Id'd, and you have to ID it in order to get the new stats. It will kinda suck, but you also have to consider what would happen if people ran around with old Cata's and old Apoc's while people find the newer and more nerfed versions. Why did I use those two? Cause why not?
     
  5. Moe_Ronickah

    Moe_Ronickah Traveling through hyperspace . . .. CHAMPION

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    That's the part that really, really bothers me. So many people worked so hard to obtain items with IDs that worked for them, or IDs that were near perfect. Now, many of those items don't or wont' work for their builds. We HAD to fix the code. We could not let it stay as it was, because it was broken. It made making items a real roll-of-the-dice, because we couldn't be sure of how the items would come out, once they were made. I am really opposed to players having to lose so much in-game value on their items, both play-ability value and LE value. It's a really messy thing to have happen. The idea that it's happened to "everyone", me included, has validity, however, it doesn't help everyone to understand that we NEEDED to fix a broken system.
     
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  6. Major_Lue

    Major_Lue Famous Adventurer HERO

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    I know and I agree with everything you've said this far, but I'm completely drawing a blank on how to fix this in any other way than just "shoulda done this from the start."
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    If this is what you think then you've no clue how impactful 1 mana or 1 attack tier is. The change is already in the game, if that was the plan then it would have happened.

    Also, it will NOT happen. It happened in gavel because that was a COMPLETE rewrite of the entire ID system. There was absolutely no similarities between old and new, meanwhile this just changes ID by a value of 1 or 2 (which is massive, depending on the ID.)
     
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  7. OGK

    OGK The Grader CHAMPION

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    Nah, expected the nerf and made a quick around.
     
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    Major_Lue Famous Adventurer HERO

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    You said that a change of 1 doesn't make a huge difference. That's where I'm saying you're quite wrong.
     
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  9. OGK

    OGK The Grader CHAMPION

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    In some aspects... yeah, in others no. For Mana and Attack, I think this is a more calmer nerf. It should have been like this from day one honestly...
     
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    Major_Lue Famous Adventurer HERO

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    A loss of 1 in either mana or attack speed is a large and very influential change. You can't argue against that, not if you know how the game functions.
     
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  11. OGK

    OGK The Grader CHAMPION

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    I understand that.. but we we're so far into the meta... this just sucks... anyway, I do agree that this is huge. It should've happened earlier so that it wouldn't hurt so much.
     
  12. Glamazon_

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    I don't understand what you're saying here, however, I believe a mana nerf for certain items is a bit of a reach. Some people might have a Nirvana which was 2/4 MR, and after the re-balancing, it's 1/4 now. It's quite a drastic change, especially in it's value - especially with how the trade market works. When it comes to attack speed, that's a different story - that was legitimately abusable. But when it comes to mana regen and SP, I think otherwise.
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    And, YES, this should have happened a LONG time ago - I 1000% agree. If it had happened a long time ago, it would be a different story - but now there are items which have such a high value (e.g. mythics), which makes it a big problem.
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    Anyway, onto my powder idea. I personally believe people should be able to remove powders from their items without having the powders being lost. When it comes to the relation of the 'rounding', this idea would be viable because many people have added T6 powders to their items, which are now nerfed - and no longer fits their builds. Which, evidently, is a big overall loss of LE. Additionally, the LE from this loss can not be remade - no one wants to buy a now-crappy item which has T6 powders on it.
     
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  13. OGK

    OGK The Grader CHAMPION

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    But I don't completely blame the CT or Coders, Minecraft is terrible platform. Many unpredictable things can happen.
     
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    I highly appreciate the staff, and the amount of hard-work they put into this sublime server. But yes, I agree - Minecraft isn't exactly the best platform, and a lot of things may not work the way you want it to.
     
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    Bumping...!
     
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