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Game Design My Thoughts On Mythics

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Lemon, Aug 5, 2017.

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  1. Lemon

    Lemon God has forsaken me CHAMPION

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    Hooray, another thread complaining about Mythic's


    But seriously, Mythics, in my opinion, are in need of work. They are very unbalanced and have an incredibly low drop chance that can leave you empty handed after hours of grinding



    THE DROP CHANCE


    Okay, I know mythic's are supposed to be super rare, but the drop chance in my idea is ridiculous. you can either get a good loot bonus set, get into your item grinding routine, and pray to RNGesus, or slowly work your way up the economy, slowly but surely getting enough le to get the mythic you want, but that is going to take awhile, as a mythic (that's not pure) can range from 4 stacks to 40. Both take an immense amount of time, and in my opinion, not worth the effort. And then some random person strolls right into an area and gets a mythic. You're probably thinking, "That doesn't happen". It does, it happened to me. I was randomly killing mobs to get void essence to get the void weapons, and then poof, spring. this is unfair to people who are unlucky enough to have terrible luck and put in hours upon hours upon hours of work to never get a mythic. And if you do eventually get a mythic, there's the chance that it's going to be a WORSE mythic (not bad, I'm going to explain that later), which leads into my next point. unbalance.


    My Idea On a fix:


    Mythic's should have different ways of obtaining than normal items. I believe that there should be an event every 1-2 months, and on special occasions.this lasts a day, In which you fight a random boss based on each mythic. If you manage to defeat the boss(which would be very hard), you would get the respective mythic based on the boss. this would make you actually work for the mythic and not have it based on RNG.


    UNBALANCE


    This is going to be shorter than my other points, and this thread is going to do a much better job explaining this point than I am. https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/lack-of-balance-in-mythic-weapons.198521/

    But I'm going to give my 2 cents on it. I believe that there are no bad mythic's. Pure is amazing for it's level, it's not meant to be an endgame weapon. grandmother, despite being the worst mythic bow, is not bad and can be used to great effect. The problem is incredibly OP Mythic's, that basically define the meta. These are weapons like Strati, Gaia, Grimtrap, Apocalypse, Cataclysm, and others. These mythic's outclass all others and generally make Mythic's like grandmother seem bad when they really can be used to great effect.


    My Idea on a fix.


    I am terrible at balance, but I believe that I listed earlier should be nerfed, some with hard nerf's and some with soft. But if I try to get into specifics, I'll probably mess up the balance more than it is now.


    TLDR, mythic's are way too rare and based on rng, and the gap in power between the different mythics in unacceptable.


    Thanks for reading
     
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  2. Cruuk

    Cruuk yopyop HERO

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    If there's good Mythic balancing in this major update, it automatically becomes a 10/10 for me.
     
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  3. Lord_He1mchen

    Lord_He1mchen EX-Mod, was nice HERO

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    And then theres me, who grinded to 101 before the gameplay update, who picked up every item back then, who even has about 1130 levels (including alt)
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    guess what
    no mythic

    Mythics are supposed to be items that you hear of, but never actually get, but I agree its not perfect as it is.
     
  4. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Mythics by definition should be the best possible weapons in the game, so the argument that they are too OP is pretty shakey (since that's the whole point!). This is especially apparent when people mention PvP, which is completely broken by its own.

    Though this is the inherent problem with mythics:
    1) Because they are so rare
    2) People want them to be the best and therefore "OP"
    3) Though because they are so strong
    4) Everybody wants them and everyone who doesn't is at a major disadvantage, which
    5) Makes everyone want to nerf them or
    6) Extremely salty when someone gets a mythic, which in turn
    7) Would make them comparable as legendaries
    8) Defeat their whole purpose while still maintaining their high price
    9) Cause people not to use mythics and they basically become collectibles

    Or on the other route if they decrease their rarity:
    10) Screw over every mythic owner
    11) Make the game completely unbalanced and even more ridiculously easy

    It's this constant back and forth that is the main reason why mythics should have never existed. Maybe if they were all extremely gimmicky and could only be used for specific situations, I would be fine, but it's not acceptable that anyone can slap any mythic on a rainbow tank and be unkillable.
     
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  5. Jaymon

    Jaymon best on server VIP+

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    mythic dealing is fun and makes u rich

    reminds me of something irl i think
     
  6. GaryIsAdopted

    GaryIsAdopted I’m gay

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  7. Gigavern

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    Ideally you'd have a tier system like Pokemon in which you place Mythics in Ubers. Basically you know how you can't use certain items in Nether. There would be 2 nether arenas: 1 where you can use Mythics, 1 where you can't.

    It's how Smogon dealt with Legendaries.
     
  8. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    That too, it's just whenever a game adds some sort of extremely rare godly item, it creates a huge mess... I don't think Wynncraft was ready to deal with something like that.
     
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    I mean segregating Mythics from the general endgame, while still allowing them to be powerful (just like Legendaries in Pokemon) would at least fix how to keep them from enveloping the entire meta-game.
     
  10. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    I feel like Mythics should just give slight boosts to DPS compared to other weapons, so that they're still powerful but not viable in every situation. Currently the balance on these things are horrible; Fatal has like twice the DPS of Judas, Weathered has like 175 more DPS than Slider, Grimtrap is just... god... Stratiformis, Apocalypse, Alkatraz, ETC ETC ETC.
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    Ehhh It's how they deal with good pokemon; not all legendaries are Uber tier amd not all ubers are legendary
     
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    Gigavern Giant Fern VIP+

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    Still, it's effective.
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    you will only loose buying power for other stuff, if you want another mythic the price will be also lower
     
  13. sdkgjnio

    sdkgjnio hod-SOH-nee-uhs

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    You never mention the boots...
     
  14. bloww

    bloww Shoutbox Fancam Account HERO

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    sure but you shouldnt be able to solo qira in like 10 fucking seconds
     
  15. Stormarend

    Stormarend The classes DO NOT correspond with the elements.

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    Slowly backs away after getting a mythic from loot crate with 1 streak
     
  17. Lemon

    Lemon God has forsaken me CHAMPION

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    I used to use pure on my mage before giving it away, and it did great. (although that might be bcuz of the 516 spell dmg)
     
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    Unless you have an amazing one like the one you apparently had, it actually does worse than Ethereal.
     
  19. Dr Zed

    Dr Zed Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Oh yeah totally, blame Courage and Rage for that one (and alka abuse too).
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    That's the point; if they wanted to resell their mythic, they would be totally screwed because they would lose all of their money they spent previously to acquire their mythic (which a lot of mythic owners do, even when they don't try to scam ;) ) Plus people who actually grinded for a mythic would feel cheated because they didn't sell their mythic before the rarity nerf.
     
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    Yuno F Gasai Forum God, FW

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    What else would you buy with that money?
     
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