Remove Dying From Wynn

Even so the monster is considered dead after the fight.
Why doesn't this happen when you revive after dying to Bob or Cow or Death or Qira.
and ya, what alexis said.

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Did you actually play the quest?
At all?
You're supposed to fight the creature that killed you, and only then will death let you return to the realm of the living, please read everything inside of my quote, again.

 

yeah you're right. Nvm

 

Yes, I played the quest. Over a year ago.
Granted, the events of the quest itself are strange, but we already knew that. There may well be some reasoning behind that, or maybe it's just one of Deaths whims. We've seen that entities that aren't fully alive can affect the living before; Bob's Reincarnation is a perfect example.

There's still no plot hole in the lore here. What happens every other time you die is a perfectly logical chain of events.

 

???
Okay so you're required to kill what killed you, and that thing remains 'dead' questwise afterwards.
AS SHOWN WITH THE BOSS IN THE QUEST.
But what happens when you die to Qira, or Bob, or Cow, or Amadel, or Any quest boss ever, and have to repeat the fight, shouldn't you have killed them? Didn't death force you to kill them in his spiritual dogfights?
No, they're still alive, you're still alive.

 

This doesn't always happen. I figured you'd be able to infer that yourself.

 

Well, actually, those are deaths terms for reviving, it does always happen, and if it 'doesnt always happen' why does this quest lore exist, it seems pretty strange for a deity who's using you for entertainment to let you stop entertaining him AND continue living after death.
Your explanation to fill the plot holes is worse than mine, there's not even anything in the quest to suggest that the circumstances of revival ever had or ever will change.

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• Death: I ALWAYS ALLOW PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RE-ENTER THE MORTAL PLAIN.
• Death: CALL IT BARGAINING WITH DEATH IF YOU LIKE. TRUTH IS, I JUST GET A BIT BORED.
• Death: IF YOU WISH TO RETURN TO LIFE, AND I CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE DO, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BEAT THAT WHICH SENT YOU HERE.
• Death: IN YOUR CASE, IT IS THE CREATION KNOWN AS KOLTRON. WHEN YOU ARE READY, YOU CAN ENGAGE HIM ONCE MORE BY ENTERING THE DOOR AT THE BACK OF MY REALM.
• https://wiki.wynncraft.com/index.php?title=Beyond_the_Grave

 

Just saying, as Alexis said, let's follow the lore. Bob, Cow, Amadel and other creatures should have souls, or at least something like a soul. They die - they respawn in a while. Means they're in Death's realm, maybe? And Death sends them back to kill YOU, who've killed them, so they respawn and attack everyone who comes to them, at their place where they died. Why the player gets teleported after death - this shouldn't be explained.. It shouldn't have any logic, it's just making the game playable, because if it worked for the player as well - imagine someone weak fighting The Corrupter, getting destroyed, spawning in the same place, getting destroyed again, and so on.

 

Please, explain to why Death would require you to get revenge on every single thing that's ever killed you before reviving you. How about when you fall off a cliff? You expect us to get revenge on the ground?

Then again, upon discovering previously unmentioned dialogue, he does claim you have to "beat that which sent you here." Next time, maybe start with that. So, granted, it doesn't make much sense. And yet, it's not like those mobs don't respawn, regardless of whether or not you beat them.

To be fair, you are half right. It's a bit of a sketchy situation, but it could still be fixed with some minor dialogue changes, as opposed to changing the dialogue aswell as the death message.

 

Please explain why he wouldn't.
Your job to complete upon falling off a cliff is simply to survive the fall next time.

Technically gamewise they respawn, but wynn plays like a solo RPG with sorta half tries to get us together. Koltron is a boss that is 'dead' to the game because you completed the quest, ya you can go back to fight him again, but none of that is canon, you can't get the rewards multiple times, and this doesn't unlock storyline.

The death message dialogue would be just as easy, and wouldn't require us actually dying every time, it's not like death wouldn't have limits on how many times he lets you revive.
(He says he doesn't but realistically, someone comes walking through your house just to go out the backdoor 500+ times you're eventually gonna stop them, and have some tea at least).

 

He wouldn't because it's not entertaining to watch somebody go kill a single mob in 5 seconds. It's boring and a time-waste.

Having a canon in an MMORPG that's based around mobs isn't something that's really possible. It only works in normal RPGs because the bosses don't respawn for other players. Hell, any lore based around death in any kind of RPG is sketchy at best, meaning the easiest thing to do is see it as only a gameplay mechanic. Wynn decided to not do that, so I guess that's irrelevant in this case.

Creating the death message dialogue doesn't fix the plot holes in the quest. Why not kill two birds with one stone? Especially when it's the simplest solution. Simply adding lines that specify that the Krolton case is unique, or something else entirely, would fix the plot holes, and the death issue.

 

I agree. Death could say:
1: USUALLY I JUST CHARGE A FEE, SOME OF YOUR SOUL AND ITEMS.
2: THIS TIME IS DIFFRENT. KOLTRON IS FULL OF POWERFUL MAGIC THAT BINDS THE SOULS HE KILLS TO HIM, BUT NOT ENTIRELY.
3: THAT MEANS THEY STILL COME TO HERE, BUT CANNOT BE FREE UNTILL KOLTRON IS DEAD.

 

NO! Add Aetherytes! Ffxiv Choco-Bros (yes, bro, me and my bird, Albus are brothers spiritually)

Btw jk :(

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But no joke, i looovvvee this idea, i r8 10/8 m8, so good

 

Spoiler: when i saw this wasnt a joke thread

 

Something along the lines of Koltron cursing the souls of those he's killed, similar to this, could work fine.

 

Add one for qira, that the npc of qira hive (forgot the name) will save you! (and if you loose items he says that qira took them)

 

Who the hell stole my soul points then?

 

*Flee*

 

It make a way better storyline! Herh herh herh.

 

After you died to level one zombies a hundred times death just gave you a magnetic chip so he doesn't have to keep an eye on you.
In beyond the grave the chip/card/pass breaks so he does everything manually

 

I love the idea, I feel like the "You have been critically wounded" part is a little forced and unnatural though.. Maybe a better message for that, but otherwise +1 Supporter! (+5 if you count the voices in my head o.o)