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My Ideas To Compare Wynn Cities With The Gavel Ones

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Dohdo, Jan 24, 2017.

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Do you like my suggestions?

  1. Yes for Ragni

    15 vote(s)
    39.5%
  2. Yes for Detlas

    17 vote(s)
    44.7%
  3. Yes for Nemract

    17 vote(s)
    44.7%
  4. Yes for Almuj

    17 vote(s)
    44.7%
  5. Yes for Nesaak

    17 vote(s)
    44.7%
  6. Yes for Lusuco

    14 vote(s)
    36.8%
  7. Yes for Troms

    16 vote(s)
    42.1%
  8. no.

    26 vote(s)
    68.4%
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  1. Dohdo

    Dohdo I'm back. Cancer in it's purest form.

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    As we all know, the Wynn cities are wayyyyy better than the Gavel ones, right? Wrong.

    So I got an idea to bump Wynn cities and make them... better.

    First: Ragni. Tbh, ragni doesnt need any change. Its perfect for its position and level. However, I thought it would look cool if you can add towers on the walls the way Minas Tirith has catapults (Google it!).

    Next: Detlas. To make Detlas better, imo, is tricky. One thing I think can improve for sure are the walls. When I see Detlas' wall, it doesn't seem very yrealistic in terms of shape. Most medieval castles didn't have square walls, and I dont like Detlas' wall either, but improving it is abit hard. What I think we can do it this:
    O-----------O O-----------O
    O----O The entrance/hole here starts in the second layer. Also, press Reply to see the diagram correctly.

    This way, the entrance/walls have more depth.

    Anywho, next part.
    Nemract. When I look at nemract, it just looks so... so plain! I mean, olux, the closest city in Gavel to compare it to, has a much more realistic/vivid setting. For nemract, what I think we should have is a small wall. And I mean small, like, half the height of Olux's. The wall shouldn't stretch far either. It should just surround a third of the town that points outward.

    Next we have Almuj. Almuj is byfar the least realistic town. The bank is literally half the town. What I believe we should have in Almuj is an arabian city (google "arabian medieval city") that looks very rich. It should have people dressed in black cloths with swords all over the place named Guards, who are neutral mobs.

    Anyhow, my next visualization is Nesaak. Nesaak, tbh, is a disappointment, It has very little flavor and doesn't show any pride from the build team. What Nesaak should have been like is a fishing town that circles the lake. Try to think of it as an industrious city in fish before Theorick got pissed off by Mael.

    Next we got Lusuco. Lusuco is my favorite town in Wynn, and it probably always will be. It has a unique feel, different than the towns in Wynn. To improve it, all I have to say is a better wall. Maybe a seen to, like, ice mages that are teammate mobs who use ice snake to fight the dire wolves. And spawn more dire wolves if you add the ice mages, as it will add a nice seen of battle.

    Now we have Rymek. I honestly have no idea for Rymek so lets keep it the way it is.

    Troms. Troms is what I want changed the most. I think Troms should be mush larger than Detlas, but it is practically the same size. I also think it should have more houses, but they are a bit broken down, with a lot of poor people on the streets. It should have statues all over the place with poor people around to show of its former glory, yet how it has too much of a population to keep up with it being a rich city. I also think it should have leaves/vines growing on the sides of houses and around the wall, with the walls having cracks in it. Remember that Troms is the second oldest town, with Ragni being the oldest, but Ragni shouldn't have cracked walls or vines since they got it easy (lv1 zombies, 'nuff said).
     

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  2. Thunder

    Thunder Chief Thunder HERO

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    Tl;Dr I voted for all of the poll options. Are you happy? :D
    Also, wrong section.
     
  3. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    yes
    nah, it's good as it is, we don't want to overwhelm new players.
    Detlas does need something, but not this. all it really needs is a size increase, maybe with more houses and stall outside the walls to make the suburbs more lively and actually make the city feel like it's worthy of being the capital
    Nemract is plain because it's a poor port town. it's supposed to be plain but effective, and it fits the atmosphere very well
    The bank is that big because Almuj is by far the richest city in wynn. they're showing off their wealth. the town already got a slight revamp to move most amenities near each other so you don't have to navigate the maze-like pathways as much, and in my opinion the city is now fine the way it is
    there's no room for the city to be expanded around the lake due to the mountains and river, and the town is supposed to be small, almost like a camp. it's not very wealthy, you can't expect it to be the size of ragni
    ice snake isn't a mob spell. the only improvement the city needs is slightly faster guards so nothing can get in and kill you, cause some dire wolves still get inside.
    good, the city is perfectly fine
    it's already waaayyy bigger than Detlas?? what are you talking about?
    THIS IS WHERE ONE OF THE TWO KINGS LIVES, THEY HAVE MONEY AND THE KING KEEPS HIS CITY IN GOOD REPAIR DESPITE IT'S AGE, SO NOTHING SHOULD BE IN RUINS, AND THE PEOPLE AREN'T POOR. and you fail to realize how big this city actually is, they have tons of houses already.

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  4. Dohdo

    Dohdo I'm back. Cancer in it's purest form.

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    You know, I thouht my ideas would add some element to the game. KoR lives in Ragni btw.

    And Troms is very old, it should look old.
     
  5. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    There's two kings, one in Ragni and one in Troms. Remember Wynn Ex D?

    And who cares if a town is old, it can still be kept in decent repair. Just look at somewhere irl like this, like Canmore, all the buildings are old but they've been taken care of so well that the town has a older feel while not being in disrepair.
     
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  6. Killerfish

    Killerfish Procrastinating Artist HERO

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    In all honesty, I feel by a city planning aspect, Almuj's is very weird. It has all its market and commerce in the center, which kind of makes sense. But its bank is in the back, with literally no outer city walls nor any other buildings to protect or shield it from the outside. It just feels vulnerable there, and really oddly placed.
     
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  7. Reti

    Reti Marquis of the Foxes, King of Memes VIP+

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    I agree. Almuj's bank has little defence, even though it's supposed to be the main pride of the city. It just sits out there, with no walls, and a direct route for anything from the desert to get in. It just doesn't seem right from design and lore standpoints
     
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  8. stlast

    stlast Wybel on a Raft CHAMPION

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    I've been making some lore on Nemract lately, so I think I might have a bit of a say here.

    Nemract feels to me like that one slightly-unkept but lively port city that everyone knows about. For one, the bar there is practically famous (I mean look, we have a forum section named after it). Nemract is like the gateway from Wynn to the ocean and beyond. It isn't as shabby as Olux because it doesn't need to be.

    Nemract is almost certainly where most trade from Gavel filters through to Wynn - it's the only port city in the entire province. Olux, on the other hand, is backed up against a mountainous wall in a secluded region. Nemract is a short distance from the central trade city in Wynn, Detlas, and also has a near-direct route to Katoa/Ragni and (albeit the skeletons in between) Almuj/Bremminglar. Meanwhile, Olux is far away from any town/city (Llevigar is probably the closest, but they don't seem to care much about Olux. I won't even get started on Gelibord), so I can't imagine much trade happening there. Nemract is a PORT CITY, it's got access to the entire ocean. It can get support from nearly anywhere, if necessary. It's handicap seems to be that Nemract is more of a stop for merchants rather than an actual city - rivers of money flow through, but only a fraction of that goes to the town itself.

    Nemract doesn't need a pity-inducing wall, or an Olux-level vivid feeling of decay, it's a central piece of the Wynn Province. The skeletons in the area seem to be ignoring Nemract for the most part, only picking off stragglers who wander near Ancient Nemract. If the skeletons don't seem likely to siege the city, is there really a point to building a wall?

    The city of Nemract is a typical central port town, and a wall could damage the "open" feeling that comes with being positioned by the ocean. It's like an open city, anyone can come through and trade if he wishes to. I'm probably being excessive here, but I think Nemract is mostly fine as-is.

    And I'm outta time to add anymore, anyway. :P
     
  9. NotAFish

    NotAFish An evolved jungle slime Discord Moderator CHAMPION

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    It should be scene
     
  10. Dohdo

    Dohdo I'm back. Cancer in it's purest form.

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    Ok, I mean to put anywho, its a saying, and whatever. Auto correct doesnt show anything
     
  11. NotAFish

    NotAFish An evolved jungle slime Discord Moderator CHAMPION

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    Okay I edited my post
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    Also seen is still a word so autocorrect won't get it but it is the incorrect one
     
  12. JuicedBananas

    JuicedBananas Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Detlas isn't a castle or the capital of Wynn, it's a small trading town. It just happens to have a big wall.
     
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  13. Ice Guy

    Ice Guy I'm a little too icy for you VIP

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    I'm fairly sure the status of 'the province's central trading hub' would make it more than a small trading town. I do agree it needs to be bigger. Plus all the players hang out there so ya know
     
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    Gigavern Giant Fern VIP+

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    Just a question, how big are Troms and Detlas?
     
  15. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    Very and not
     
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    Detlas only needs size (or sprawl and more extensive suburbs).

    Nemract is now a port city, it relies on trade to the extent that walls hinder it. Its formerly glory is perfectly encapsulated with nearby Ancient Nemract.

    Almuj simply needs some protection, its bank seems so unguarded (especially towards the back).

    Even if Troms ain't that rich, they just so happen to be the city of Warriors, I doubt they would let themselves fall into disrepair.
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    Troms needs less shitty-looking houses...let me word that better. The town style, judging by the massive walls and high military presence, feels like it should be stoney and rigid, but the houses and buildings all feel like they belong on a farmstead somewhere. The buildings don't necessarily look BAD, just very unfitting for the apparent lore and style of the town. In my opinion, the only good thing about the Troms revamp was that the layout was made clearer.
     
  18. robincaiye

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    I think the bad thing about Nemract is that the Armoury, Weaponry and Powder Master is too far away from the amentities, unlike Olux. Olux's merchants are pretty linked; the Item Buyer is with the Armoury, Weaponry; the Item Identifier is with the Potion Merchant and Cobble Merchant; and the bank is connected with all of the merchants.
     
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