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Please Buff Grandmother

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by Bubbly, Dec 22, 2016.

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  1. Bubbly

    Bubbly Sucker for nostalgia HERO

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    Have you ever noticed why Grandmother is so cheap though it is a level 95 Mythic? Going for only around 2 stacks? and find out that a rare is possibly better than it? and on top of that, that rare is extremely easy to get considering its only a weapon that of a rare tier?
    What happened to balanced items,where for example a lv. 50 unique is not more powerful than a lv.60 legendary.
    The rare weapon I want to discuss is "Petrified Horror". This weapon as said above is that of a rare tier and it is a bow which deals massive damage, and a good one can be easily bought for very little LE, whilst "Grandmother" is A Mythic bow and as it is Mythic, extremely rare to find,but in comparison, the "petrified Horror" is arguably better in most aspects. Hence, i'm proposing a buff for "Grandmother"
    Both weapon's specs can be seen in the pictures below. Screenshot (7).png Screenshot (8).png
     
    Last edited: Dec 22, 2016
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  2. bloww

    bloww Shoutbox Fancam Account

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    OR YOU KNOW, JUST TEST IT.
    If you think Gma is bad you have some serious problems
     
  3. Bubbly

    Bubbly Sucker for nostalgia HERO

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    I already did, and Gma is really bad
     
  4. bloww

    bloww Shoutbox Fancam Account

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    Alright.
    Let me explain.

    Grandmother has 4 slots. Petrified Horror has 3.
    Petrified Horror had horrendeous -skill points, which makes it useless except for earth/thunder/(air) builds.
    Petrified Horror needs 140 skill points, Gma needs 100.
    They both have (almost) the same damage.
    GMA IS SLOW. PHORROR IS VERY SLOW.
     
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  5. Bubbly

    Bubbly Sucker for nostalgia HERO

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    gma is 2 stacks
    petrified horror is basically free but for sake of argument, it is 2le
     
  6. bloww

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    That's a nice argument you got there.
    'gma is more expensive so it needs a buff even tho its op rn hehe'
     
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  7. C2HWarrior

    C2HWarrior Well-Known Adventurer

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    y did u make this rhyme
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    STOP CONVINCING SELVUT THAT PHOENIX WING IS GOOD GOD DAMMIT!!!11!1!!1juan!!1!
     
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  8. bloww

    bloww Shoutbox Fancam Account

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    no bc it is
     
  9. Bubbly

    Bubbly Sucker for nostalgia HERO

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    lol it ryhmed #ez lol
    but srsly it needs to be buffed
     
  10. SmileyAlec

    SmileyAlec Olympic Gaming

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    it does not
     
  11. LCT8

    LCT8 The Kickoff Elite HERO

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    Grandmother is 3.5 stacks and its op 15k bombs
     
  12. Gone2Dream

    Gone2Dream Luto Aquarum enjoyer HERO

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    Both weppens have - health regeneration but - 259 to 481 health regenoration... A normal build won't have that much regen to cancel it out. So this puts another problem on you when you are fighting something. First you need to worry about the thing(s) that you are fighting and then you need to worry about not withering away from your own weapon.
     
  13. bloww

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    Or just use the Earth passive
    and with a min health regen one you only need like snail helm or boots
     
  14. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls

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    You can deal 12k bombs without a mythic
     
  15. Chun_

    Chun_ Any broken builds founder,nerfed by Salted VIP+

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    wow wt if i say i can deal 12k dmg with posion?
     
  16. Battleslay1000

    Battleslay1000 And another one bites the- wait what CHAMPION

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    How about 26k with 3 ticks of poison
     
  17. Chun_

    Chun_ Any broken builds founder,nerfed by Salted VIP+

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    it won't happen in nether anyway, so I don't really care sorry
     
  18. Miles_

    Miles_ hi CHAMPION

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    I think that Grandmother does need a buff, but you shouldn't compare it with Petrified Horror.
    Grandmother - 247.5 {Avg neutral dmg} + 475 {Avg earth dmg} + 80 {additional dmg with all earth T6 powders} = 802.5. The earth powders convert all of the dmg into earth damage due to the 46% neutral conversion rate, so 802.5 average earth dmg. 802.5 x 1.05 {avg spell/melee buff} = 842.625. 842.625 x 1.3 {slow attack multiplier} = 1095.4125 average DPS for Grandmother WITHOUT strength. with the +10 strength while using 100 strength prior to that buff, it's 1095.4125 x 1.687 {buff with average + strength while using min required strength} = 1848 DPS {rounded}. Grandmother does 1848DPS average.

    Petrified Horror does much less. 1717 {rounded} and it also has some bad IDs and insane reqs, but so does Grandmother. I would say that Grandmother definitely beats this, but does not beat the hive weapons.

    Grandmother and Petrified Horror have very different IDs, different reqs, elements and attack speeds so that is why I said that you shouldn't compare them.

    The Hive Bow should theoretically deal 2,376 damage with full earth T6s.

    Overall, I think that Grandmother does need a buff. I think that @Kraby had some good suggestions about buffing items a while back, such as Inferno, but I forget if he suggested a buff for Grandmother.

    This comment is gonna get sooooooo much hate, and I can show people my math if they want.​
     
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  19. Kawaii__Turtle

    Kawaii__Turtle Kawaiiest of Turtles CHAMPION

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    Point 1:
    Your math isn't right, if the powder conversion % goes over 100 then it converts extra damage
    so 46%*4=184%
    1.84*247.5=455.4
    This kind of increases the DPS a lot
     
  20. Miles_

    Miles_ hi CHAMPION

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    I use a hive wand with t6 thunders x5 and I deal 175-450 thunder damage, a 100% conversion, even though the powders should go over that 100% conversion rate, but don't seem to. 150-250 neutral is normal dmg for a hive wand, but with 5 thunder t6s at +5-40 damage each, that should theoretically buff the total damage up to 175-450 with a 100% conversion rate. It does, and idk what it would do with a higher conversion rate. I don't think it can go over 100%.
     
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