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Elemental Defenses On Bosses

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Endertricity, Dec 5, 2016.

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  1. Endertricity

    Endertricity Assorted Mini Quiche VIP

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    By this post, I'm talking about Bob and Qira, tell me if there are any others that follow this trend.

    These bosses both have full elemental damage and defense. It's to make them seem super powerful, I suppose? Master of all elements of life?
    Not the vibe I'm getting here.

    It's just annoying and, in my opinion, bad design to force a certain weapon upon a player who wishes to defeat these bosses. The elemental defense, instead of being a challenge is a simple bottlenecking of playstyles that is never good in an MMORPG. Moreover, powerful neutral weapons are few and far between for non-warriors. That's probably a good thing, those are quite boring.

    Buff the bosses if you have to. More health and regen could do some good for the challenge aspects of the fights. But please, please remove their elemental defenses to avoid the awful streamlining of the boss-battle idea.
     
  2. Undyne

    Undyne Do you enjoy going through hell? CHAMPION

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    I will state that recently I fought Bob to help another person and I was dealing near 1000 fire damage using a powdered Ignition. So, those "rainbow" defense bosses aren't 100% resistant against elements (but definitely take less damage from them).

    I do admit that the warrior class has a wide variety of neutral weapons to choose from, including a level 66 legendary spear that is just a bit less powerful than Bob's Mythic Spear. But, the other classes struggle to find a neutral weapon, especially if the player is used to using elemental damage. And, an annoying part about the bosses is that the weapon reward is neutral, which basically slaps you in the face once the battle is over. I will agree that the elemental defenses are passable, but a bulwark for other players with elemental dependence.

    I don't think the entire removal of the elemental defenses is necessary, but maybe slightly reduce them so players can battle them easier. Right now, since the patch "fixed" untradable item drops, Bob has been an issue for lv75 players as they can't deal enough damage (even with help) to get the seal. A slight reducing of the defenses would lower the difficulty enough for lv75s to get the seal, but still hard enough so they have to get help fighting it.
     
  3. aayl

    aayl Famous Adventurer

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    I agree, the GMs should lower elemental defense on bosses, and up HP and regen. The difference is just disgusting. For example, I was able to do a 15k bomb to Bob with pre - nerf Az, but couldn't do more than 100 damage to Qira with the same weapon.
     
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  4. MylifeIsSad

    MylifeIsSad Well-Known Adventurer

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    Fighting bob isn't necessary as bob mythic is bad nowadays .

    For Qira it is resonable as she is an end game boss .

    Just use spell spam build to fight bosses (you can use mobility spells and attack more often)
     
  5. WithTheFish

    WithTheFish Internet Macrocelebrity CHAMPION

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    "Well I guess there's always poison"

    It's pretty ridiculous that you have to use an extremely specific build to damage an end-game boss, especially when the game discourages use of neutral damage via powders.
     
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    Rimuwu Nyah HERO

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    Isn't it the fact that you need one special build to kill bosses and cant use all? If you like build X but cant use it to face a boss, thats just not fair.
     
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    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    Um
    Hive weapons?
    Wybel weapons?
     
  8. Endertricity

    Endertricity Assorted Mini Quiche VIP

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    I don't think you're really having a problem with Bob or maybe even Qira if you have those.
     
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  9. Mistrise Mystic

    Mistrise Mystic Surfing winds and chasing windfalls HERO

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    But even then, assassins get big arm, pencuri, and Alizarin, Archer gets Cluster and Quartzite bow, and Mages get Predposledni and Gearbox Stave
     
  10. Endertricity

    Endertricity Assorted Mini Quiche VIP

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    I said few and far between, not nonexistent.
     
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    Hephaestus Hypothetical Build Maker | Avos Air Arceus VIP+

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    You don't even need that much neutral damage. I soloed Bob using an Alkatraz (which is basically the epitome of single-element builds) and Qira with a Rewind (which is like 1/3 neutral)
     
  12. SmileyAlec

    SmileyAlec Olympic Gaming CHAMPION

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    same with weathered
     
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    Happy New Year Please bring the shoutbox back VIP+

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    bob takes elemental dmg normally (atleast from me using scythe at lv 74)
    qira is totally immune to elemental dmg but i soloed her easly with braker and cluster, i didnt try with the other classes yet
     
  14. SmileyAlec

    SmileyAlec Olympic Gaming CHAMPION

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    slider + raw spell build = rip qira
     
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    Kawaii__Turtle Kawaiiest of Turtles CHAMPION

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    Rainbow tank with Memento and Bonder for Mage can destroy her :p
     
  16. Kraetys

    Kraetys Hater of Catipalism - Certified Nyanarchist HERO

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    The amount of people who don't understand at all is appalling.
     
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    Goati actually joeo HERO

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    I'm fine with the bosses that have full elemental defence and the same resistantness to each element, but what I'm not fine about is bosses that have weaknesses and defenses because it actually forces you to change elements in order to progress, meaning you may need to swap all your armour, weapon and accessories to an element for 1 boss fight. Atleast with neutral weps they don't usually have a element req.
     
  18. TrazT

    TrazT Cooking By The Book Ft. Lil Jon HERO

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    Not sure if there's a reason for this not already being in place, but why not implement neutral defense for certain mobs? It's like how damage was processed for players before gavel.
     
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    Bob doesn't have full elemental defense, it can be overpowered if you do enough elemental damage however yes, Qira does seem to take no elemental damage or at least takes extremely minimal amounts of it, this is why I have always hated element damage based builds because the first thing I always think of is; Okay, you do only elemental damage? Go fight Qira and tell me how it goes. This is why i use the hive spear still, despite having no melee or spell damage upping armor on (The struggle for me to kill ANYTHING is hellish)
    I agree that the elemental defenses should be lowered by some amount (If only to make it so I'm not forcing myself to do 500 damage per hit and a high of 4k uppercuts, rip)
     
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    Locky1110 Famous Adventurer CHAMPION

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    Lol i saw u beast the noob known as bob
     
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