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Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by SPYROHAWK, Oct 28, 2016.

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and just to lower lag we eather need to lower server player max to 50 or use less particles

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or why not try both!

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This is a great idea. It would be nice to have micro events so that you would be more aware of your surroundings.

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I'd love to see this, though Servers would be restarting every 10 minutes :D

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

Desert: Darude Sandstorm
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Yes... YEEESSS!

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

So I WAS going to make a theory on Chaos Elementals but then with hallowynn I decided to save any theory until after I do the new quest. So instead I decided to write a concept thread for an idea I had.

I was thinking about... stuff... and this idea came to me. Environmental effects by region. Now I dont just mean "it snows in nessak" or "it rains in nemract" but literal effects that impact the player. I do realize some of these could be quite laggy, hence why I am putting this in as a concept.

Umm, how about instead of trying to explain, I just show?

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Coastal Trail: High Tide

The costal trail gets flooded with water. This makes it harder to travel and decreases mana recharge rate. Tide could be dependent on the moon cycle.

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Mesa: Rockfall

When in the lower Mesa section, rocks have a chance of falling from above. This effect will only occur in areas under one of the upper plateaus, and is signaled by a loud rock-breaking sound and the area under the point of impact becoming a slightly darker shade of whatever color clay is usually there (as if the rock is casting a shadow). If the player is hit by the rock, they suffer earth damage. (Falling sand entities of colored clay, no blocks actually get placed)

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CoTL: Shifting Mountains

So we know from the lore of the CoTL that the mountains tend to move. So why don't we make them? At certain times throughout the day, if no player is nearby, the paths will change. For example a path may turn west with a mountain to the east. But once it hits noon, the mountains to the east disappears, and a new mountain appears to the west, therefor changing the structure so the path must turn east. To avoid randomly killing players, and to fit the theme of shifting while no one is watching, it will not shift if a player is nearby.

-

Desert: Darude Sandstorm

In the desert, there will occasionally be a sandstorm in certain areas. A bunch of sand particles (you know, the ones that come from the bottom of floating sand particles) start swirling around and any player or mob caught in it gets the blindness effect. This means players cant see very far and mob pathfinding is shorter.

-

Sky Islands: Gust

While on the sky islands, you can experience the occasional gust. Shifting will stop you from being effected. The gusts will simply push all mobs and players in an area a few blocks to the side. This is usually harmless, unless the player is near the edge.

-

Swamp: Geiser

You know the crusted openings from Thaumcraft? Imagine simular things in the swamp, but not spewing out mobs. A little fissure that has bubble particles around it. When it is about to erupt, it gains smoke particles. Upon eruption, a stream or water particles shoots up. This does water and fire damage as well as shooting the player up, giving the possibility of fall damage.

-

Nether Portal: Fire Burst

Similarly to in the swamp, fissures exist in the area around the nether portal. But they act differently. They dont give off particles before shooting, they just randomly create pillars of fire. Unlike the geisers, however, which just go back down, these dont. They act like entities that move around randomly for like 10 seconds before disappearing. They deal fire damage to anyone they touch.

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Nessak: Blizzard

Similarly to the Desert, blizzards can cause blindness. Clouds of white particles that can randomly appear around Neesak. Perhaps also mana drain.

-

Ice Canyon: Icicles

Same as Mesa, but with icicles made of packed ice. Earth and water damage.

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Llevigar Plains: Orc Dance

Every so often Orcs have a special celebration. During this time tougher, stronger, Orcs spawn around the plains, wearing more festive colors. Normal Orcs spawn more frequently.

---

Kander Forest: Brood Spider

So you know those webs that stretch across the trees? Well put some wool or carpet connecting them to the ground. When the player walks over those ground-webbed areas, they get slowed. A spider mini-boss will also drop down from those areas to attack the player when they step on the webs.

(I originally intended to use a falling tree branch, but that would be the third falling damage object)

(This could also kind of work in Nivla)

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Ocean: Waves (Tsunami)

So when on a boat, waves can rise up from water blocks and push the boat in a certain direction. Gives more incentive to use the Sea-Skipper, although big waves can cause the sea-skipper to take longer to reach the destination. When this happens, the captain dude will make a remark about rough waters.

Also, in Selchar, its possible for a Tsunami (water particles, no blocks) to wipe over the whole town, water damaging and knocking back the player into the water. No effect on the Selchar Citizens tho, the locals are used to it.

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These are just some ideas. I don't know how good or bad or how reasonable or unreasonable these are, but yeah!
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I think these should be limited to players under the typical lvl min of the region. Additionally, the following includes how I would like to change these effects.

Coastal Region: Slowness, due to water overflowing onto the shore sometimes, but increased mana regen, due to proximity to water, the element of spells and mana.

Mesa: Like you said.

Canyon of The Lost: Keep it how it already is, due to the time it already takes players to learn navigation, and major block lag from such movements.

Desert: Like you said, but lessened mana regen, due to lack of water, the element of mana and spells.

Sky Islands: Instead of gusts, less sprint, due to less oxygen, and also upward pushing air current, so you may get boosted up as you move across island via jumping or charges.

Swamp: Like you said, but increased mana regen.

Nether/Portal/Molten Heights: Extreme mana drain.

Nessak, Icey areas: Extreme Slowness and Blindness, with no effect to mana.

Ice Canyon/Frozen Heights: Like you said.

Llevigar Plains: Like you said, but giant chat message.

Kander Forest: Move effect to Nivla.

Selchar: Only affects lower elevation areas, so not the main part of the city, which was intentionally, built high up.

Also there should be mounts, that are more used to each region's climates.

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Gigavern said: ↑

Selchar: Only affects lower elevation areas, so not the main part of the city, which was intentionally, built high up.
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That I like

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I think these should be limited to players under the typical lvl min of the region
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I think that ruins the whole exploring aspect

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Also there should be mounts, that are more used to each region's climates.
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I could see a donkey for the CoTL

Gigavern said: ↑

Coastal Region: Slowness, due to water overflowing onto the shore sometimes, but increased mana regen, due to proximity to water, the element of spells and mana.

Mesa: Like you said.

Canyon of The Lost: Keep it how it already is, due to the time it already takes players to learn navigation, and major block lag from such movements.

Desert: Like you said, but lessened mana regen, due to lack of water, the element of mana and spells.

Sky Islands: Instead of gusts, less sprint, due to less oxygen, and also upward pushing air current, so you may get boosted up as you move across island via jumping or charges.

Swamp: Like you said, but increased mana regen.

Nether/Portal/Molten Heights: Extreme mana drain.

Nessak, Icey areas: Extreme Slowness and Blindness, with no effect to mana.

Ice Canyon/Frozen Heights: Like you said.

Llevigar Plains: Like you said, but giant chat message.

Kander Forest: Move effect to Nivla.

Selchar: Only affects lower elevation areas, so not the main part of the city, which was intentionally, built high up.
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Heres the thing. I get why water would be plus mana, but do me a favor. Go stand in water. In wynn, when it water, your mana regens MUCH slower. Kind of counter-intuitive, I know, but thats how it works.

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

That I like

I think that ruins the whole exploring aspect

I could see a donkey for the CoTL

Heres the thing. I get why water would be plus mana, but do me a favor. Go stand in water. In wynn, when it water, your mana regens MUCH slower. Kind of counter-intuitive, I know, but thats how it works.
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Would it make more sense for the effects to not affect only after you have completed all of the region's quests.

Ah so thats why you put decreased mana regen in wet regions.

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

So I WAS going to make a theory on Chaos Elementals but then with hallowynn I decided to save any theory until after I do the new quest. So instead I decided to write a concept thread for an idea I had.

I was thinking about... stuff... and this idea came to me. Environmental effects by region. Now I dont just mean "it snows in nessak" or "it rains in nemract" but literal effects that impact the player. I do realize some of these could be quite laggy, hence why I am putting this in as a concept.

Umm, how about instead of trying to explain, I just show?

---

Coastal Trail: High Tide

The costal trail gets flooded with water. This makes it harder to travel and decreases mana recharge rate. Tide could be dependent on the moon cycle.

-

Mesa: Rockfall

When in the lower Mesa section, rocks have a chance of falling from above. This effect will only occur in areas under one of the upper plateaus, and is signaled by a loud rock-breaking sound and the area under the point of impact becoming a slightly darker shade of whatever color clay is usually there (as if the rock is casting a shadow). If the player is hit by the rock, they suffer earth damage. (Falling sand entities of colored clay, no blocks actually get placed)

-

CoTL: Shifting Mountains

So we know from the lore of the CoTL that the mountains tend to move. So why don't we make them? At certain times throughout the day, if no player is nearby, the paths will change. For example a path may turn west with a mountain to the east. But once it hits noon, the mountains to the east disappears, and a new mountain appears to the west, therefor changing the structure so the path must turn east. To avoid randomly killing players, and to fit the theme of shifting while no one is watching, it will not shift if a player is nearby.

-

Desert: Darude Sandstorm

In the desert, there will occasionally be a sandstorm in certain areas. A bunch of sand particles (you know, the ones that come from the bottom of floating sand particles) start swirling around and any player or mob caught in it gets the blindness effect. This means players cant see very far and mob pathfinding is shorter.

-

Sky Islands: Gust

While on the sky islands, you can experience the occasional gust. Shifting will stop you from being effected. The gusts will simply push all mobs and players in an area a few blocks to the side. This is usually harmless, unless the player is near the edge.

-

Swamp: Geiser

You know the crusted openings from Thaumcraft? Imagine simular things in the swamp, but not spewing out mobs. A little fissure that has bubble particles around it. When it is about to erupt, it gains smoke particles. Upon eruption, a stream or water particles shoots up. This does water and fire damage as well as shooting the player up, giving the possibility of fall damage.

-

Nether Portal: Fire Burst

Similarly to in the swamp, fissures exist in the area around the nether portal. But they act differently. They dont give off particles before shooting, they just randomly create pillars of fire. Unlike the geisers, however, which just go back down, these dont. They act like entities that move around randomly for like 10 seconds before disappearing. They deal fire damage to anyone they touch.

-

Nessak: Blizzard

Similarly to the Desert, blizzards can cause blindness. Clouds of white particles that can randomly appear around Neesak. Perhaps also mana drain.

-

Ice Canyon: Icicles

Same as Mesa, but with icicles made of packed ice. Earth and water damage.

---

Llevigar Plains: Orc Dance

Every so often Orcs have a special celebration. During this time tougher, stronger, Orcs spawn around the plains, wearing more festive colors. Normal Orcs spawn more frequently.

---

Kander Forest: Brood Spider

So you know those webs that stretch across the trees? Well put some wool or carpet connecting them to the ground. When the player walks over those ground-webbed areas, they get slowed. A spider mini-boss will also drop down from those areas to attack the player when they step on the webs.

(I originally intended to use a falling tree branch, but that would be the third falling damage object)

(This could also kind of work in Nivla)

-

Ocean: Waves (Tsunami)

So when on a boat, waves can rise up from water blocks and push the boat in a certain direction. Gives more incentive to use the Sea-Skipper, although big waves can cause the sea-skipper to take longer to reach the destination. When this happens, the captain dude will make a remark about rough waters.

Also, in Selchar, its possible for a Tsunami (water particles, no blocks) to wipe over the whole town, water damaging and knocking back the player into the water. No effect on the Selchar Citizens tho, the locals are used to it.

---

These are just some ideas. I don't know how good or bad or how reasonable or unreasonable these are, but yeah!
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Danq ideas, but they may cause lag on lower-end pcs

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I feel like there should be ways to defend against these environmental effects, because it would be frustrating if you had to trudge through an area while hampered by them.

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

So I WAS going to make a theory on Chaos Elementals but then with hallowynn I decided to save any theory until after I do the new quest. So instead I decided to write a concept thread for an idea I had.

I was thinking about... stuff... and this idea came to me. Environmental effects by region. Now I dont just mean "it snows in nessak" or "it rains in nemract" but literal effects that impact the player. I do realize some of these could be quite laggy, hence why I am putting this in as a concept.

Umm, how about instead of trying to explain, I just show?

---

Coastal Trail: High Tide

The costal trail gets flooded with water. This makes it harder to travel and decreases mana recharge rate. Tide could be dependent on the moon cycle.

-

Mesa: Rockfall

When in the lower Mesa section, rocks have a chance of falling from above. This effect will only occur in areas under one of the upper plateaus, and is signaled by a loud rock-breaking sound and the area under the point of impact becoming a slightly darker shade of whatever color clay is usually there (as if the rock is casting a shadow). If the player is hit by the rock, they suffer earth damage. (Falling sand entities of colored clay, no blocks actually get placed)

-

CoTL: Shifting Mountains

So we know from the lore of the CoTL that the mountains tend to move. So why don't we make them? At certain times throughout the day, if no player is nearby, the paths will change. For example a path may turn west with a mountain to the east. But once it hits noon, the mountains to the east disappears, and a new mountain appears to the west, therefor changing the structure so the path must turn east. To avoid randomly killing players, and to fit the theme of shifting while no one is watching, it will not shift if a player is nearby.

-

Desert: Darude Sandstorm

In the desert, there will occasionally be a sandstorm in certain areas. A bunch of sand particles (you know, the ones that come from the bottom of floating sand particles) start swirling around and any player or mob caught in it gets the blindness effect. This means players cant see very far and mob pathfinding is shorter.

-

Sky Islands: Gust

While on the sky islands, you can experience the occasional gust. Shifting will stop you from being effected. The gusts will simply push all mobs and players in an area a few blocks to the side. This is usually harmless, unless the player is near the edge.

-

Swamp: Geiser

You know the crusted openings from Thaumcraft? Imagine simular things in the swamp, but not spewing out mobs. A little fissure that has bubble particles around it. When it is about to erupt, it gains smoke particles. Upon eruption, a stream or water particles shoots up. This does water and fire damage as well as shooting the player up, giving the possibility of fall damage.

-

Nether Portal: Fire Burst

Similarly to in the swamp, fissures exist in the area around the nether portal. But they act differently. They dont give off particles before shooting, they just randomly create pillars of fire. Unlike the geisers, however, which just go back down, these dont. They act like entities that move around randomly for like 10 seconds before disappearing. They deal fire damage to anyone they touch.

-

Nessak: Blizzard

Similarly to the Desert, blizzards can cause blindness. Clouds of white particles that can randomly appear around Neesak. Perhaps also mana drain.

-

Ice Canyon: Icicles

Same as Mesa, but with icicles made of packed ice. Earth and water damage.

---

Llevigar Plains: Orc Dance

Every so often Orcs have a special celebration. During this time tougher, stronger, Orcs spawn around the plains, wearing more festive colors. Normal Orcs spawn more frequently.

---

Kander Forest: Brood Spider

So you know those webs that stretch across the trees? Well put some wool or carpet connecting them to the ground. When the player walks over those ground-webbed areas, they get slowed. A spider mini-boss will also drop down from those areas to attack the player when they step on the webs.

(I originally intended to use a falling tree branch, but that would be the third falling damage object)

(This could also kind of work in Nivla)

-

Ocean: Waves (Tsunami)

So when on a boat, waves can rise up from water blocks and push the boat in a certain direction. Gives more incentive to use the Sea-Skipper, although big waves can cause the sea-skipper to take longer to reach the destination. When this happens, the captain dude will make a remark about rough waters.

Also, in Selchar, its possible for a Tsunami (water particles, no blocks) to wipe over the whole town, water damaging and knocking back the player into the water. No effect on the Selchar Citizens tho, the locals are used to it.

---

These are just some ideas. I don't know how good or bad or how reasonable or unreasonable these are, but yeah!
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Yes! This would be awesome It would make Wynn more hard for higher lvls!

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I feel like there should be ways to defend against these environmental effects, because it would be frustrating if you had to trudge through an area while hampered by them.
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But trudging through snow is so much fun!

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Yes! This would be awesome It would make Wynn more hard for higher lvls!

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But trudging through snow is so much fun!
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Sure, but the fun would wear off gradually.

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I think this is a great idea! Maybe you could give a little more detail. Like how much damage will rock slides do, how much longer will waves make the V.S.S. Skipper take, how long do blizzards or tsunamis last, and the likes. Make sure it isn't too dangerous, as Wynncraft can already be very difficult cult, especially with new players. (For COTL not to drastic, as it is already a confusing piece of hell).

Also, if you really want to make this into a well implemented idea, maybe you could make a lower level quest introducing these effects. I would be happy to help you with it.

That is all of my feedback. +1 Supporter

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Sure, but the fun would wear off gradually.
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Na it would be cool and more real. I don't care if it gets annoying it will add a new aspect to the game :D

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why don't you also have an increase in elemental damage based on the region so for example, coastal trail and ocean islands, and nessak boost water dmg, mesa and canyon increaces earth dmg, anywhere higher than (y=100) blocks (mountains) have extra air dmg, and molten heights, netherportal other places have extra fire dmg.

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why don't you also have an increase in elemental damage based on the region so for example, coastal trail and ocean islands, and nessak boost water dmg, mesa and canyon increaces earth dmg, anywhere higher than (y=100) blocks (mountains) have extra air dmg, and molten heights, netherportal other places have extra fire dmg.
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I think this is a great idea! Maybe you could give a little more detail. Like how much damage will rock slides do, how much longer will waves make the V.S.S. Skipper take, how long do blizzards or tsunamis last, and the likes. Make sure it isn't too dangerous, as Wynncraft can already be very difficult cult, especially with new players. (For COTL not to drastic, as it is already a confusing piece of hell).

Also, if you really want to make this into a well implemented idea, maybe you could make a lower level quest introducing these effects. I would be happy to help you with it.

That is all of my feedback. +1 Supporter
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Theres a reason this is a concept

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I feel like there should be ways to defend against these environmental effects, because it would be frustrating if you had to trudge through an area while hampered by them.
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No

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hmm

Theres a reason this is a concept

No
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I am aware, and I feel that the concept is great. It's just that if you give some more values and detail it can be a full blown idea, and get the supporters it needs to be added to the game! This is just my advice, because I would really love to see this implemented, so I am just giving you ways to improve :) Just keep an open mind towards it?

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Na it would be cool and more real. I don't care if it gets annoying it will add a new aspect to the game :D
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Seriously?
While this concept is interesting, when it comes to gameplay, there needs to be a line between "realism" and "annoyance".
All these environment effects do, are to make gameplay even more tedious because of how you have to handle 12 different environmental effects as they appear, some of which will harm you no matter what you do.
While you might not care that it's a hindrance, others like me do care, because we're not used to having negative effects straight up imposed on us for no beneficial reason.
So just flat out telling me that what I'm saying is wrong because you don't agree with it, is not going to win me over in any way.

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Aeon Soralen said: ↑

Seriously?
While this concept is interesting, when it comes to gameplay, there needs to be a line between "realism" and "annoyance".
All these environment effects do, are to make gameplay even more tedious because of how you have to handle 12 different environmental effects as they appear, some of which will harm you no matter what you do.
While you might not care that it's a hindrance, others like me do care, because we're not used to having negative effects straight up imposed on us for no beneficial reason.
So just flat out telling me that what I'm saying is wrong because you don't agree with it, is not going to win me over in any way.

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Whats the point of a new addition if theres a thing that just negates it?

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