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Concept: Using Offhand For Better Spells

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by SPYROHAWK, Sep 27, 2016.

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

Thanks for the insight!

I know I worded spin attack strange, and i will work on fixing it.

As long as the point comes across of using F to switch weapon into off hand then switch it right back, and something happens, I dont really care what augmentation/utility/thing people see it as.

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Yes, I do have a ton of time on my hands. Which is strange since im in Pre-IB at a STEM academy.

As for the archer thing, it seems a bit strange having infinite arrows. Like where do you get them all from?
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And this is coming from mages creating chunks of mass whenever they want to at cost of 8 mana which theoretically should have a massive chain effect that would wipe out life on earth if it was big enough, which it probably is considering the explosions and stuff :P btw rly like da concept :D

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Jared2183 said: ↑

And this is coming from mages creating chunks of mass whenever they want to at cost of 8 mana which theoretically should have a massive chain effect that would wipe out life on earth if it was big enough, which it probably is considering the explosions and stuff :P btw rly like da concept :D
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Well... Magic. (which I would never accept as an excuse is this was a theory thread but too bad)

Also, thanks! I try.

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

Thanks for the insight!

I know I worded spin attack strange, and i will work on fixing it.

As long as the point comes across of using F to switch weapon into off hand then switch it right back, and something happens, I dont really care what augmentation/utility/thing people see it as.

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Yes, I do have a ton of time on my hands. Which is strange since im in Pre-IB at a STEM academy.

As for the archer thing, it seems a bit strange having infinite arrows. Like where do you get them all from?
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Where? I get mine from a wizard

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

Once again, that was just an example of how a utility could be used
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Yeah a bad example because mages would therefor be useless5

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Horses are broken in all versions except 1.8.
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That is true, but they are not too bad (I play in 1.10 and I use them)

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You don't use them then. They completely go off course and when you get off you will be somewhere completely different.
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I belive it has to do with a problem between entity rendering and entity positioning. Because you still end up going in the same direction, but you tend to sway off to the side and get stuck behind a block.

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

Thanks for the insight!

I know I worded spin attack strange, and i will work on fixing it.

As long as the point comes across of using F to switch weapon into off hand then switch it right back, and something happens, I dont really care what augmentation/utility/thing people see it as.

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Yes, I do have a ton of time on my hands. Which is strange since im in Pre-IB at a STEM academy.

As for the archer thing, it seems a bit strange having infinite arrows. Like where do you get them all from?
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The bows are magic. We don't even lift them up or pull back the string, but they can still shoot arrows we don't have.

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I'd personally much prefer using my off-hand for potions or a secundary weapon above one extra spell.

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

THIS WOULD REQUIRE WYNN BEING 1.9+. SORRY 1.8 USERS.

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So for a long time we have had the problem of the spells stopping at level 68 (I think). There are many suggestions of adding a new upgrade thing to them, but that seems to be a bit over-worked and it does not seem like its gonna happen.

By far the most realistic suggestions was the middle click feature, but the devs dropped some coding info on us and explained that the game cant tell if button 3 is pressed.

However, more recently we got a new way that the game CAN test a thing! The F button!

---

Before you say "oh, but we just got power abilities", yeah, but thats more of a weapon/armor upgrade than a new spell.

Anyway, some servers test if a player dropped an items, gives it right back within 1 tick, and then performs an ability (im looking at you, mineplex champions). But since we actually need to be able to drop weapons, the F key could work, since the offhand is not used in Wynn.

Let me give 2 examples.

Now in some games, as well as your normal skills, you also have a utility. For example a gun class may have a reload utility, a ghost class may have a toggle form utility, a shield class may have a raise shield utility.

In Wynn, each class could have its own utility. Utilities would change the way each class works. They would be available at level 1, then the ability that is usually unlocked at level 1 is unlocked when the next ability is usually unlocked, ect.

Before I go into examples, I want to explain how this would work and why it would fit into the game. How is simple, you hit F and the game registers you are holding your weapon (or any item, I guess) in your offhand. The game then switched the item back to your main hand immediately (never actually removing the item, so people dont complain about lost items), and performs the utility.

The reason this would fit, is cuz its actually inspires by the dungeons. In on of the things, Salted explained that each boss has a "boon" or "gimmic" to their fight, like making walls or sending armies (tbh that was amazing). This kind of gives each class a boon too!

-

Assassin-

The assassin is the only one that also requires a spell change. It basically has a toggle. you hit F, you go invisible. You hit F again, you come out. Invisibility drains mana (not as fast as the current vanish does), and you come out of it when you hit something. Why replace vanish? So the assassin can get a proper movement ability in its place (I imagine a smoke bomb or front flip). It fits with the assassin because, well, its an assassin. It is supposed to sneak around undetected.

Archer-

The archer would now have a limited number of arrows in its quiver (quiver would be a stat archers have located above their mana). Say 30? The number can increase as you upgrade one of your stats. Anyway, spells don't use up arrows from your quiver. But what happens when you run out? You hit F, it takes like 2.5 seconds, and your quiver reloads. It makes the archer less spammy since it requires you to time your arrows before being able to reload (perhaps reloading costs 0.5-1 mana?)

Warrior-

The warrior is typically a melee tank, but also has some ranged abilities. But what exactly is the weapon? A spear. Idk if you know this, but in real life, you can throw a spear. I imagine you hit F, you cant move for 1 second, then (you dont actually loose an item), your throw the spear. Its just an item entity that matches the look of your spear. It does small AoE damage around the point of impact for 75% of your normal damage, including elemental.

Mage-

\/ === Under Construction = Subject To Change === \/
To be honest, I had NO CLUE what do do for this one. So I think I came up with an example utility that works? It would totally rework the mage, as well as making it so the mage can't spam heal. Every spell, EVERY SPELL, only uses 0.5 mana. Super OP right? Of corse, this thread was just a plan to buff mage that I pretended was a new feature! WRONG (-quote taking from donald trump during the debate). The mage does not actually regen mana naturally. Mana steal will bring mana back up, but the mage has to do something else. They hit F and they go into a "channel" state where they have partilces around them. They cant attack or move, and only take like 20% of the damage inflicted to them. During that time their mana regens at 3x the normal rate. Mana regen stat effects this.
/\ === Under Construction = Subject To Change === /\

Anyway, those are just random spit ball examples I pulled from my head. But you get the point. You hit F and its a utility that is FUNDEMENTAL to the class.

This is taking more from the true "spell upgrade" sort of thing. Hitting F before your spell switches it to your offhand, the game registered that happens, prints an A above your coords/charge, then sends the weapon back to your main hand, all within like 1 tick.

Once you have that A, your spells will be augmented to have a slightly different effect, almost reverse in some cases. You can only augment your spells once you hit the level that WOULD earn you a new spell upgrade, but there is none. (what would the next one be? 75?). Or you could unlock the augmentations one spell at a time. You would hit F again to un-augment the spells.

Once again, these are just concept augmentations, so you get my point.

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Archer:

-Arrow Storm: You shoot a single arrow that goes like 600% damage (whatever the damage of arrow storm is, all combined into one arrow).

-Back Flip: You jump forwards instead of back. And instead of getting speed, all mobs nearby get slowness.

-Bomb Arrow: Instead of the arrow exploding, upon impact it shoots 20 arrows up into the air that then come raining down.

-Arrow Shield: You shoot an arrow at an enemy. Upon hit of entity or floor, it makes a circle of arrows (simular to the one that surrounds you during the normal spell) that damages any mob that tries to move in or out of the circle (like a trap).

--

Warrior:

-Bash: instead of a cone in front of you, you bash the ground under your feet, causing all enemies in a circle around you to take damage and get knocked back.

-Charge: The warrior jumps straight up, instead of forward.

-Uppercut: Instead of bashing the enemy into the ground, the warrior sends them even higher. If they hit a ceiling they take the usual damage. Otherwise they take fall damage upon landing.

-War Scream: Instead of buffing allies with strength and resistance, you debuff your enemies with weakness and negative resistance (yes, thats a real thing in the game's code. It makes the afflicted entity take more damage).

--

Assassin:

\/ === Is Being Re-Worded === \/
-Spin Attack: The spin is so intense your arms act like helicopter blades, shooting you up 10 blocks. You damage any mobs in that 10 block column as you would any mob usually caught in the spin attack.
/\ === Is Being Re-Worded === /\

-Multi-Hit: Instead of many hits, its one super powerful hit. Basically what we did with bomb arrow. Extra damage if the enemy is looking away from you.

-Smoke Bomb: The mobs inside the area get the blindness effect (yes, it effects the mob's pathfinding), but does much less damage. Extra damage to slimes and magma cubes (cuz of the powder in the bomb. Witchery quicklime anyone?).

-Vanish: Instead of becoming impossible to see, you see others. All mobs in a large radius get the glowing effect for 30 seconds.

--

Mage:

-Heal: Instead of using mana to gain health, you hurt yourself to gain mana.

-Teleport: Instead of targeting a block, it targets a mob. The mage then switched places with the mob, hurting it in the process (twilight forest ender bow anyone?)

-Meteor: The meter comes from underground, pushing up. It lifts all nearby mobs up with it (high level levitation) and then explodes. The mobs take the normal damage plus the fall damage.

-Ice snake: Instead of having the snake in front of you, you have it under your feet pushing you forward (you ride the snake).

---

Once again, just examples, so you get my point.

So I think you get the idea. Using the F key as some sort of spell-related function, as we suggested the middle click feature but had that problem.

As you can tell, this is just a concept. The specific utilities and augmentations are just proof of concept. The concept itself is the use of the offhand for Augmentation or Utility or something.

Feel free to comment!

Al Simula

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I honestly like the idea. I think changing to 1.9+ would give us more options :P:D:P:D:P

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How about using F as your spell activation key, instead of right-click? Keep current spells as they are, and add new ones starting with F-L-?-? for higher levels. Or, to make it more intuitive, sort them by Offensive/Defensive or Close-range/Long-range spells. Also, pressing F again would stop spell casting as it's annoying when you right-click one time too many and have to wait a few seconds before being able to attack again.

Pros:
- 9 possible spells instead of 4.
- Easy to cancel spells
- Easy enough for noobs to learn.

Cons:
- More memorising.
- Players will have to get used to this system

Neutral:
- Game will be more complex

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eeveelution said: ↑

How about using F as your spell activation key, instead of right-click? Keep current spells as they are, and add new ones starting with F-L-?-? for higher levels. Or, to make it more intuitive, sort them by Offensive/Defensive or Close-range/Long-range spells. Also, pressing F again would stop spell casting as it's annoying when you right-click one time too many and have to wait a few seconds before being able to attack again.

Pros:
- 9 possible spells instead of 4.
- Easy to cancel spells
- Easy enough for noobs to learn.

Cons:
- More memorising.
- Players will have to get used to this system

Neutral:
- Game will be more complex
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That's actually cool

creature said: ↑

I'd personally much prefer using my off-hand for potions or a secundary weapon above one extra spell.
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True, but that don't seem to be happening

XavierEXE said: ↑

The bows are magic. We don't even lift them up or pull back the string, but they can still shoot arrows we don't have.
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Magic < Logic

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

THIS WOULD REQUIRE WYNN BEING 1.9+. SORRY 1.8 USERS.

---

So for a long time we have had the problem of the spells stopping at level 68 (I think). There are many suggestions of adding a new upgrade thing to them, but that seems to be a bit over-worked and it does not seem like its gonna happen.

By far the most realistic suggestions was the middle click feature, but the devs dropped some coding info on us and explained that the game cant tell if button 3 is pressed.

However, more recently we got a new way that the game CAN test a thing! The F button!

---

Before you say "oh, but we just got power abilities", yeah, but thats more of a weapon/armor upgrade than a new spell.

Anyway, some servers test if a player dropped an items, gives it right back within 1 tick, and then performs an ability (im looking at you, mineplex champions). But since we actually need to be able to drop weapons, the F key could work, since the offhand is not used in Wynn.

Let me give 2 examples.

Now in some games, as well as your normal skills, you also have a utility. For example a gun class may have a reload utility, a ghost class may have a toggle form utility, a shield class may have a raise shield utility.

In Wynn, each class could have its own utility. Utilities would change the way each class works. They would be available at level 1, then the ability that is usually unlocked at level 1 is unlocked when the next ability is usually unlocked, ect.

Before I go into examples, I want to explain how this would work and why it would fit into the game. How is simple, you hit F and the game registers you are holding your weapon (or any item, I guess) in your offhand. The game then switched the item back to your main hand immediately (never actually removing the item, so people dont complain about lost items), and performs the utility.

The reason this would fit, is cuz its actually inspires by the dungeons. In on of the things, Salted explained that each boss has a "boon" or "gimmic" to their fight, like making walls or sending armies (tbh that was amazing). This kind of gives each class a boon too!

-

Assassin-

The assassin is the only one that also requires a spell change. It basically has a toggle. you hit F, you go invisible. You hit F again, you come out. Invisibility drains mana (not as fast as the current vanish does), and you come out of it when you hit something. Why replace vanish? So the assassin can get a proper movement ability in its place (I imagine a smoke bomb or front flip). It fits with the assassin because, well, its an assassin. It is supposed to sneak around undetected.

Archer-

The archer would now have a limited number of arrows in its quiver (quiver would be a stat archers have located above their mana). Say 30? The number can increase as you upgrade one of your stats. Anyway, spells don't use up arrows from your quiver. But what happens when you run out? You hit F, it takes like 2.5 seconds, and your quiver reloads. It makes the archer less spammy since it requires you to time your arrows before being able to reload (perhaps reloading costs 0.5-1 mana?)

Warrior-

The warrior is typically a melee tank, but also has some ranged abilities. But what exactly is the weapon? A spear. Idk if you know this, but in real life, you can throw a spear. I imagine you hit F, you cant move for 1 second, then (you dont actually loose an item), your throw the spear. Its just an item entity that matches the look of your spear. It does small AoE damage around the point of impact for 75% of your normal damage, including elemental.

Mage-

\/ === Under Construction = Subject To Change === \/
To be honest, I had NO CLUE what do do for this one. So I think I came up with an example utility that works? It would totally rework the mage, as well as making it so the mage can't spam heal. Every spell, EVERY SPELL, only uses 0.5 mana. Super OP right? Of corse, this thread was just a plan to buff mage that I pretended was a new feature! WRONG (-quote taking from donald trump during the debate). The mage does not actually regen mana naturally. Mana steal will bring mana back up, but the mage has to do something else. They hit F and they go into a "channel" state where they have partilces around them. They cant attack or move, and only take like 20% of the damage inflicted to them. During that time their mana regens at 3x the normal rate. Mana regen stat effects this.
/\ === Under Construction = Subject To Change === /\

Anyway, those are just random spit ball examples I pulled from my head. But you get the point. You hit F and its a utility that is FUNDEMENTAL to the class.

This is taking more from the true "spell upgrade" sort of thing. Hitting F before your spell switches it to your offhand, the game registered that happens, prints an A above your coords/charge, then sends the weapon back to your main hand, all within like 1 tick.

Once you have that A, your spells will be augmented to have a slightly different effect, almost reverse in some cases. You can only augment your spells once you hit the level that WOULD earn you a new spell upgrade, but there is none. (what would the next one be? 75?). Or you could unlock the augmentations one spell at a time. You would hit F again to un-augment the spells.

Once again, these are just concept augmentations, so you get my point.

---

Archer:

-Arrow Storm: You shoot a single arrow that goes like 600% damage (whatever the damage of arrow storm is, all combined into one arrow).

-Back Flip: You jump forwards instead of back. And instead of getting speed, all mobs nearby get slowness.

-Bomb Arrow: Instead of the arrow exploding, upon impact it shoots 20 arrows up into the air that then come raining down.

-Arrow Shield: You shoot an arrow at an enemy. Upon hit of entity or floor, it makes a circle of arrows (simular to the one that surrounds you during the normal spell) that damages any mob that tries to move in or out of the circle (like a trap).

--

Warrior:

-Bash: instead of a cone in front of you, you bash the ground under your feet, causing all enemies in a circle around you to take damage and get knocked back.

-Charge: The warrior jumps straight up, instead of forward.

-Uppercut: Instead of bashing the enemy into the ground, the warrior sends them even higher. If they hit a ceiling they take the usual damage. Otherwise they take fall damage upon landing.

-War Scream: Instead of buffing allies with strength and resistance, you debuff your enemies with weakness and negative resistance (yes, thats a real thing in the game's code. It makes the afflicted entity take more damage).

--

Assassin:

\/ === Is Being Re-Worded === \/
-Spin Attack: The spin is so intense your arms act like helicopter blades, shooting you up 10 blocks. You damage any mobs in that 10 block column as you would any mob usually caught in the spin attack.
/\ === Is Being Re-Worded === /\

-Multi-Hit: Instead of many hits, its one super powerful hit. Basically what we did with bomb arrow. Extra damage if the enemy is looking away from you.

-Smoke Bomb: The mobs inside the area get the blindness effect (yes, it effects the mob's pathfinding), but does much less damage. Extra damage to slimes and magma cubes (cuz of the powder in the bomb. Witchery quicklime anyone?).

-Vanish: Instead of becoming impossible to see, you see others. All mobs in a large radius get the glowing effect for 30 seconds.

--

Mage:

-Heal: Instead of using mana to gain health, you hurt yourself to gain mana.

-Teleport: Instead of targeting a block, it targets a mob. The mage then switched places with the mob, hurting it in the process (twilight forest ender bow anyone?)

-Meteor: The meter comes from underground, pushing up. It lifts all nearby mobs up with it (high level levitation) and then explodes. The mobs take the normal damage plus the fall damage.

-Ice snake: Instead of having the snake in front of you, you have it under your feet pushing you forward (you ride the snake).

---

Once again, just examples, so you get my point.

So I think you get the idea. Using the F key as some sort of spell-related function, as we suggested the middle click feature but had that problem.

As you can tell, this is just a concept. The specific utilities and augmentations are just proof of concept. The concept itself is the use of the offhand for Augmentation or Utility or something.

Feel free to comment!

Al Simula

SPYROHAWK
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Warrior has the most fun utility spell, and assassin, but mage is just boring :L and archer is just a debuff for it.

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Warrior has the most fun utility spell, and assassin, but mage is just boring :L and archer is just a debuff for it.
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i like the augmentation moves though ._.

also add a option in the poll to vote for both, theres one for neither..

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Warrior has the most fun utility spell, and assassin, but mage is just boring :L and archer is just a debuff for it.

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i like the augmentation moves though ._.

also add a option in the poll to vote for both, theres one for neither..
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Well they are both concepts for how to use the F key for spells. You can't exactly have 2 mechanics both with F, now can you?

Also, I'm working on finding a new mage utility

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but could it be true???
https://gyazo.com/58632573d5171082ed6deecac0063770
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but could it be true???
https://gyazo.com/58632573d5171082ed6deecac0063770
@The Huss
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yee

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The utility only makes the archer worse...

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or they could make it so clicking f starts the spell casting so you have a total of 8 spells ( twice as many as now)

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or they could make it so clicking f starts the spell casting so you have a total of 8 spells ( twice as many as now)
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That's basically augmentation but with new stuffs

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The utility only makes the archer worse...
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1) it's just an example for proof of concept

2) it makes it less spammy

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SPYROHAWK said: ↑

That's basically augmentation but with new stuffs

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1) it's just an example for proof of concept

2) it makes it less spammy
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Spammy is good

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Spammy is good
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No it isnt...

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