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World ✧ Grade Ⅳ &Ⅴ Spell Upgrades ✧ [649 Supporters, 313 Likes, 95% Positive] Salted Supports!4

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by WynncraftNarwhal, Jul 15, 2016.

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Do you want this in Wynncraft?

  1. Yes, totally! (+1)

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  2. Sure, but with some tweaks. (+1)

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  3. Eh, needs major changes.

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  4. Nope. Just no. NEVAAAAARRRR!

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  1. WynncraftNarwhal

    WynncraftNarwhal Famous Adventurer

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    Your suggestion to me is...?
    Like what should i nerf/change?
     
  2. Miles_

    Miles_ hi CHAMPION

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    I would start by nerfing smoke bomb and spin attack. I will look over other classes buffs again. I payed the most attention to assassin spells because that is my main class.
     
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    WynncraftNarwhal Famous Adventurer

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    Well, Assassin's aren't really THAT good, and plus, Assassin always needed a buff anyways...
     
  4. Zepic

    Zepic I Don’t Know What to Put HERO

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    I have to agree Smoke Bomb V is a bit OP with the whole damage half a second for 5 seconds. Id recommend that you change it to 3 seconds and damage every second
     
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    Yeah lemme rethink smoke bomb.
     
  6. Miles_

    Miles_ hi CHAMPION

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    I agree there, assassin is the worst class imo and in other's opinions, I just think you took it too far. I don't think Uppercut and Teleport should deal 4 different types of damage either, and I would just suggest keeping the damage of all spells as low as possible because if not, people will become insanely OP. I don't even suggest spell buffs be added anyways.
     
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    Zepic I Don’t Know What to Put HERO

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    Well Uppercut at level 3 already does 350% of damage soooo
     
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    Miles_ hi CHAMPION

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    That is why it shouldn't be insanely effective, spells should be bad 1 way if they deal insanely high damage.
     
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    Zepic I Don’t Know What to Put HERO

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    Uppercut is pretty easy to land on if you use it on the right time. I main Warrior so I know what I'm talking about when it comes to Warrior spells
     
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    Miles_ hi CHAMPION

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    I understand, but if it already does 350% damage, why buff it?
     
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    Someone Well-Known Adventurer CHAMPION

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    Umm... you may want to rephrase the mage's heal damage. Taking 10% of your health from ALL enemies. Is this just enemies within the healing area, all within sight, or just all hostile mobs on the server?
    (Typed on a phone, I'm sorry if I mispelled anything)
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    Forgot to quote this
     
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    I dont feel safe around these 2 classes:

    An archer that spams arrow bomb and abuses arrow shield, meaning the archer can pretty much spam arrows everywhere, knocking back the enemy while dealing a shit ton of damage, and is almost unreachable to melee classes due to its arrow shield spel.

    A mage that has a huge ice snake range and a high meteor AoE and can drag people to hell, and also imagine a mage having 9999 health and spaming heal, heal would kill due to its reaper upgrade

    A assassin that is able to deal a shit ton of damage with smoke bomb

    A warrior that is almost impossible to hit
     
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    Untitled Doc 1 man robotics team

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    Please explain how you will scale mobs.
    Because I see things that are very overpowered
    It's not balanced against mobs, considering that you made ALL the other classes overpowered as well

    Not to mention some of these upgrades encourages very specific play styles rather than encouraging all play styles.
    The creation of elements was to encourage diverse builds and play styles, and some of these do the exact opposite

    Not to mention killing Qira solo would probably be a ton easier
     
  14. WynncraftNarwhal

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    Oops >.< Gotta stick in "Enemies in the radius"
    "Around these 2" You named 4 ._.
    But anyways...
    1. Archer | I'll talk about this in a sec
    2. Mage | The snake's range is big yes, that's why its called "Sun Swallower". But then again, Ice Snake can be quite easy to avoid, considering the Escape, the "warrior that is impossible to hit", assassin can just disappear and walk away, and another mage just has to teleport. Meteor takes a bit of a while to fall, so you could avoid it. Reaper isn't that good, considering that you have to be in Heal's radius to get affected.
    3. Warrior | How is it "impossible to hit"?
    4. Assassin | Needed a buff anyways, and you can get out of the smoke bomb fairly quickly.
    5. Now remember that in the Gameplay Update, they REMOVED the Attack Speed Tier damage buff, and thus things like an Az without anything else will only do a few thousand damage, not 20k. So, this means that every single item (except for the super slow ones) will now deal far less damage.
    Examples, please? And just read above for how mobs would be scaled.
     
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    If an assassin gets hit by ice snake makes are bound to spam more ice snakes, making it difficult to escape since ice snake imobilazes or slows your enemy

    Warriors deal more knockback either the acception of speed going on
     
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    ElegantDeath Who needs a title anyways HERO

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    I don't like the mage upgrade because 1) heals effects apply to everyone around the mage so it would cause insane damage at times and 2) because heal is a healing spell not an attack spell
     
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    The fragmenting problem already exists in the form of arrow storm and how it spawns 3 streams of arrows.
    If you aim down in a stream of water (1x1) if focuses the normal spread into the downward (1x1) stream of water and it extremely potent, and the mob is garenteed to get hit by all arrows if the mob is in the water stream (1x1)



    Why would arrow storm go from three streams back to one, then up to 4?
    Technically it seems like a downgrade

    25% vulnerability?
    Dang that's really really strong
    deal say you have 80% elemental defense, now you have 60%.
    That is a literal... ton... of difference

    50% chance to evade attacks?
    encourages you to go full agility and avoid almost all attacks
    whatever full agility is 75%? + 50% of that is either 125% if you add or 87.5% if you dont add

    I dont get cyclone, but it seems like a double damage for bomb arrow.
    Does it spin around you? spiral around each other in the direction you are facing?
    How fast does it orbit? Radius of the orbit?

    Frag bombs would probably add an extra 80% damage no matter what on a target moving towards you, due to how the arrows would most likely be coded to spawn
    The arrows spawn upon point of impact, but the movement of the player and the time that the arrow takes to travel would probably the player wold move in front of the spawn point, causing all 8 arrows to hit a sigluar target, despite the arrows aimed in different directions.
    *This problem I have seen before in another game, and was an unintentional glitch, but extremely broken in that game, that was prioritized before everything else because how op it was

    orbital arrows deflect up to 5 projectiles?
    Dang thats op
    even 50% basic attack damage blocked every 5 seconds max 2 charges was OP enough
    5 projectiles also includes stuff like meteor
    Reflected back at them? dang thats way to op
    Ranged classes wont be able to damage you at all (if you had a water build)
    *This seems to promote water builds

    Arrow Spray seems very underwhelming for a tier 5, compared to orbital arrows
    You dont state how many arrows in how many directions (could be random, targeted, or uniform)
    You didn't state damage values per arrow?
    And I like my Arrow Rain

    Wall of fire does how many explosions?
    Not to mention potential lag because of this

    Smash needs more detail before I can analyze it

    How damage does Earthen Shield do?
    Is it a particle wall or block wall?
    physical block walls that move can block all projectiles

    Basically both uppercuts just add more hits, effects, damage, and cool names.
    I don'y see much variety.
    Right now it's like you hit them up, then you hit them into the ground, then they bounce into the air, then you hit them again

    War Scream? That's the new support character because it gives you all the buffs you need, dont need archers for the speed, play warrior when you can give speed, attack speed, defense, and straight up damage boost?
    Would like to see some variety rather than a bunch of buffs

    Steal 10% of your health (max) from your opponents?
    Well then, the new meta is tank mage, because if you could get around 20k hp, then you are garenteed to never die and deal true damage (damage that cannot be negated, because it is a true percentage)
    And you also have extremely strong basic attacks (idk builds, but I'm sure a fire build exists)
    Plus it's very difficult to die in a giant swarm then

    Aftermath? Even more healing?
    If you are in a swarm of 99 or more, then you wont die because of (reaper + initial Heal) + 10% more healing
    You regenerate 99% of your maximum health just from reaper

    First of all, the fourth talent for teleport just does more damage.
    Doesnt the second talent in game also does that?
    Seems like more particles and lag
    Yipee

    The fifth talent teleports them to hell?
    Well just get a hit squad of a couple mages and have everyone teleport qira and her minions to hell constantly.
    Only need to heal like once, because you can just heal off her rapidly spawning minions with reaper.

    Meteor's fragmentation?
    Same problem with frag grenade thing for bomb arrow
    If you hit a mob directly with the meteor, then it is garenteed (15% damage * However fragments that you didn't specify)
    10 fragments then garenteed extra 150% damage

    More damage for meteor?
    Seems exactly what everyone wants
    Just make it more exciting or something

    Basically fragmentation for ice snake, except it's for anyone who touches it.
    Ouch, ice snake fragmentation might become the new meta

    the tier 5 upgrade doesn't seem exciting
    bigger snake ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) yes everyone wants a bigger snake ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
     
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    WynncraftNarwhal Famous Adventurer

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    !!! A giant wall of text appeared! What do you do?
    Read it and spend 30 minutes writing a long no typo thought out response
    Ignore it and pretend nothing happened
    Skim it and say "yeah yeah sure whatever you say"
    Hire a moderator to delete this post


    Jeez that literally took 30 minutes .-.
     
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    Alright everybody... here's what you have been wanting. Heal has finally been nerfed :D Check out the changelog for details!
    Bump!
     
  20. ElegantDeath

    ElegantDeath Who needs a title anyways HERO

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    if you could add a link to that claim that'd be great
     
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