World Balancing Classes To Improve Gameplay

Paradoxical · Jan 4, 2016

Johnny183 said: ↑

Hello everyone this is my first post and I made an account just to post this since it was very frustrating and balancing needs to be looked into. Just wanted to share my thoughts so take it lightly if you don't agree with me.

I am a lvl 65 Warrior and I have come to realize how pointless every class except for Archer/Mage is. (Don't really know about Assassin so take that out the picture)

Right now, in its current state gameplay is focused around loot and getting lucky to have better loot then other players. Since every single armor piece no matter what class can wear it makes the Warrior class very useless and makes the Archer class very OP. The warrior is full of negatives to list and I am going to show you them and explain why I think that this the warrior is unbalanced.

- Warriors have to get up close to deal damage
This is a problem since the entire system is revolved around getting loot and being lucky. So if I am not as lucky as other people I might have a lot less health and when your running in to trying to kill NPCs that spam or deal huge damage. It becomes really difficult to stay on top in the battle and becomes extremely aggravating.

- You don't gain health/mana on level up
This is a huge problem, like I stated above that the entire system revolves around loot to determine how good your character is. I have a friend who is an Archer, same level, has more health and does 4 times the amount of damage I do. Like above, if you don't have a lot of health as a warrior it becomes difficult to get up close to attack when certain mobs spam you with attacks.

- Gear is shared and not specific to classes except weapons
This is another huge problem that I have come across. The fact that there are Archers/Mages with way more health then me at the same level is very bad. Archers already are extremely overpowers with there abilities and the fact they can get the same gear as me makes them even more OP. Some types of gear should be specific to certain classes. For example, warrior gear will most likely have a lot more health and Archer gear will have attack speed and less health and such. This is how I think it should be and it would benefit and balance out the classes. Right now there is NO POINT AT ALL going warrior since the Archer/Mage is very OP at the moment and has range, same gear and very good abilities.

- Why is warrior so unbalanced summed up?
No specific gear other then weapons, no health gain on level up. Has to get up close to deal damage. Has to be lucky to get the right gear to play its class properly (Right now anybody can have the same gear other then weapons). If your fighting NPCs that deal a lot of damage and your not lucky enough to find good gear that can protect you. You get pretty much destroyed very fast since you have low health, low defense. Really does suck and makes it boring and frustrating.

- How should we balance classes?
Add specific gear for all types of classes that help to make that class what it is meant to be. For example, warrior should do less damage but be able to sustain with its large amount of health and single target damage. Archer should have less health but deal more damage and have a faster attack speed and not so OP AOE spells. Mage should be able to heal and also have less health and have AOE spells. Assassin should be able to have a lot less health but dish out huge amounts of single target damage. Also there should be cooldowns on abilities to stop the ability spam there currently is. Right now from what I have seen an archer can just run around has huge AOE damage and single target damage if they are lucky to find a good weapon it is impossible to stop them. They can also use that escape ability to get out of situations.

These adjusts will create a more balanced and fun game for everyone. Right now, no point rolling as warrior or Assassin with the amount of disadvantages it has. If you want to run around and destroy everything, spec Archer or Mage since the abilities are way to overpowered. I have also come to realize that the weapons I find for warriors do a lot less damage then the weapons I find for Archers in the same level category. Which is fine if there is specific gear and you gain health/mana on level up. Since there is none of that it is once again, another blow to the warrior class and points out how useless it is.

Bulletpoints
+ Gain health as a warrior on levelup.
+ Gain mana as a Archer/Mage on levelup
+ Gain attack speed and damage as a Assassin on levelup
+ Add cooldowns to spells.
+ Create class specific gear to balance gameplay.
+ Add better AOE damage spells to the Warrior
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Assassin to have high attack speed, high burst damage with less health
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Archer to have moderate attack speed, moderate health and moderate damage.
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Mage to heal players, slow attack speed with moderate damage.
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Warrior to have lots of health, weak damage and moderate attack speed.
- Balance the Archer/Mage so that its abilities are not so overpowered since in its current state, they destroy everything before anybody else sees it.
- Questionable, but remove Single target damage spells from Archer/Mage and just have AOE damage.

This server needs quite the overhaul if it wants to be balanced but it will work out well and better in the end. This will also give a good incentive for players to work together to defeat dungeons and such since every class has a specific role.

Thanks for reading.
Please reply with your thoughts or mistakes I have made.

EDIT - Skill points
I have not really targeted skill points but my suggestion is that they add specific skill points for all the classes. For example, warrior can have all 4 types of defense they can put skill points into and archer has attack speed, damage, mana, health. Mage has healing amount, health, mana, attack speed. Assassin has damage, mana, attack speed, overall defense. Something along those lines might work out well.

EDIT - Adding this reply I made to a comment highlighting some of the important aspects I stated in this post.
The problem is, in short, is that Archers or Mages because they can have the same gear as the Warrior and have even better spells although the uppercut spell on the warrior is good. This causes a problem since they can have more health, deal more damage. I mean, the Archer is stupidly overpowered with its abilities and they should have a cooldown system they are so overpowered. There is no point picking warrior as a class since they have NOTHING to benefit and thats the point I am trying to make. The archer is 10x better since you have range, you can have the same health/damage/defense/walk speed etc as the Warrior. The majority of weapons I find for the archer seem to do 3x the amount of damage of the weapons I find for the warrior. The disadvantages of the warrior are so large that its a pointless class at this point. If you want to be really good and destroy everything you see with little worry, you spec archer or mage since they can have everything a warrior or assassin can have with better abilities and have RANGE to stay away from those NPCs that spam attacks. The archer even has the speed buff to help dodge those attacks and the mage can heal I think full health, it really needs to be changed. The hole point is to make classes have different advantages and disadvantages so no matter what class you play, you can play quests by yourself but you WILL need other players with different classes to help you in some dungeons/bosses.

EDIT - Adding this to clarify that I made a mistake in how I have written the post since I think people might be getting confused.
The post is meant to suggest that every class has different advantages and disadvantages. I only targeted the warrior as being the weakest since I play that character and compared it to my Archer character and saw the disadvantages. What is meant to represent is that every class should have different advantages in combat.
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I can sort of see where you are coming from here, but this isn't a good solution. To start off, the entire reason any class can use any gear (other than weapons) is to make the character and play style as customizable as possible. With the new element system, a good skill point build is very important as well as gear. Also as others have mentioned warrior gets a passive 20% defense bonus, so it does in a way have extra health. Also, limiting one class to one play style is practically removing skill points and further messing up the customization system. If you are having problems getting good gear but have plenty of emeralds, I suggest you check out the Trade Market section.

Glow_D · Jan 5, 2016

Johnny183 said: ↑

If you think its made for teamwork then I would think you might agree with my post that adds more incentive to play as a team. It would change every class so they all have a completely different purpose so that you can't just run into a dungeon by yourself or with 6 archers and no other class and win. You have to have a mixture since every class serves a different role and has different states and a completely different play style. If you want to sit back and play support you do Archer/Mage. If you want to get your hands dirty and go face first into the action you become a Warrior or Assassin.

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Classes are already balanced since maybe not in dungeons but in many boss fights you need all of them. Just re-read my post again and don't focus on teamwork part.

That is exactly the problem. Obvious you were about to obtain much better gear then the archer and therefore since you had this really good gear can solo the floors. That is not how it should be in my opinion and instead you would have to work with that archer in the sense that you drain the fire since you have that large amount of health and that archer is supporting you by dealing lots of damage on top of your own damage output.
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Classes are already balanced since maybe not in dungeons but in many boss fights you need all of them. Just re-read my post again and don't focus on teamwork part.

Theepicsquash · Jan 5, 2016

Johnny183 said: ↑

Hello everyone this is my first post and I made an account just to post this since it was very frustrating and balancing needs to be looked into. Just wanted to share my thoughts so take it lightly if you don't agree with me.

I am a lvl 65 Warrior and I have come to realize how pointless every class except for Archer/Mage is. (Don't really know about Assassin so take that out the picture)

Right now, in its current state gameplay is focused around loot and getting lucky to have better loot then other players. Since every single armor piece no matter what class can wear it makes the Warrior class very useless and makes the Archer class very OP. The warrior is full of negatives to list and I am going to show you them and explain why I think that this the warrior is unbalanced.

- Warriors have to get up close to deal damage
This is a problem since the entire system is revolved around getting loot and being lucky. So if I am not as lucky as other people I might have a lot less health and when your running in to trying to kill NPCs that spam or deal huge damage. It becomes really difficult to stay on top in the battle and becomes extremely aggravating.

- You don't gain health/mana on level up
This is a huge problem, like I stated above that the entire system revolves around loot to determine how good your character is. I have a friend who is an Archer, same level, has more health and does 4 times the amount of damage I do. Like above, if you don't have a lot of health as a warrior it becomes difficult to get up close to attack when certain mobs spam you with attacks.

- Gear is shared and not specific to classes except weapons
This is another huge problem that I have come across. The fact that there are Archers/Mages with way more health then me at the same level is very bad. Archers already are extremely overpowers with there abilities and the fact they can get the same gear as me makes them even more OP. Some types of gear should be specific to certain classes. For example, warrior gear will most likely have a lot more health and Archer gear will have attack speed and less health and such. This is how I think it should be and it would benefit and balance out the classes. Right now there is NO POINT AT ALL going warrior since the Archer/Mage is very OP at the moment and has range, same gear and very good abilities.

- Why is warrior so unbalanced summed up?
No specific gear other then weapons, no health gain on level up. Has to get up close to deal damage. Has to be lucky to get the right gear to play its class properly (Right now anybody can have the same gear other then weapons). If your fighting NPCs that deal a lot of damage and your not lucky enough to find good gear that can protect you. You get pretty much destroyed very fast since you have low health, low defense. Really does suck and makes it boring and frustrating.

- How should we balance classes?
Add specific gear for all types of classes that help to make that class what it is meant to be. For example, warrior should do less damage but be able to sustain with its large amount of health and single target damage. Archer should have less health but deal more damage and have a faster attack speed and not so OP AOE spells. Mage should be able to heal and also have less health and have AOE spells. Assassin should be able to have a lot less health but dish out huge amounts of single target damage. Also there should be cooldowns on abilities to stop the ability spam there currently is. Right now from what I have seen an archer can just run around has huge AOE damage and single target damage if they are lucky to find a good weapon it is impossible to stop them. They can also use that escape ability to get out of situations.

These adjusts will create a more balanced and fun game for everyone. Right now, no point rolling as warrior or Assassin with the amount of disadvantages it has. If you want to run around and destroy everything, spec Archer or Mage since the abilities are way to overpowered. I have also come to realize that the weapons I find for warriors do a lot less damage then the weapons I find for Archers in the same level category. Which is fine if there is specific gear and you gain health/mana on level up. Since there is none of that it is once again, another blow to the warrior class and points out how useless it is.

Bulletpoints
+ Gain health as a warrior on levelup.
+ Gain mana as a Archer/Mage on levelup
+ Gain attack speed and damage as a Assassin on levelup
+ Add cooldowns to spells.
+ Create class specific gear to balance gameplay.
+ Add better AOE damage spells to the Warrior
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Assassin to have high attack speed, high burst damage with less health
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Archer to have moderate attack speed, moderate health and moderate damage.
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Mage to heal players, slow attack speed with moderate damage.
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Warrior to have lots of health, weak damage and moderate attack speed.
- Balance the Archer/Mage so that its abilities are not so overpowered since in its current state, they destroy everything before anybody else sees it.
- Questionable, but remove Single target damage spells from Archer/Mage and just have AOE damage.

This server needs quite the overhaul if it wants to be balanced but it will work out well and better in the end. This will also give a good incentive for players to work together to defeat dungeons and such since every class has a specific role.

Thanks for reading.
Please reply with your thoughts or mistakes I have made.

EDIT - Skill points
I have not really targeted skill points but my suggestion is that they add specific skill points for all the classes. For example, warrior can have all 4 types of defense they can put skill points into and archer has attack speed, damage, mana, health. Mage has healing amount, health, mana, attack speed. Assassin has damage, mana, attack speed, overall defense. Something along those lines might work out well.

EDIT - Adding this reply I made to a comment highlighting some of the important aspects I stated in this post.
The problem is, in short, is that Archers or Mages because they can have the same gear as the Warrior and have even better spells although the uppercut spell on the warrior is good. This causes a problem since they can have more health, deal more damage. I mean, the Archer is stupidly overpowered with its abilities and they should have a cooldown system they are so overpowered. There is no point picking warrior as a class since they have NOTHING to benefit and thats the point I am trying to make. The archer is 10x better since you have range, you can have the same health/damage/defense/walk speed etc as the Warrior. The majority of weapons I find for the archer seem to do 3x the amount of damage of the weapons I find for the warrior. The disadvantages of the warrior are so large that its a pointless class at this point. If you want to be really good and destroy everything you see with little worry, you spec archer or mage since they can have everything a warrior or assassin can have with better abilities and have RANGE to stay away from those NPCs that spam attacks. The archer even has the speed buff to help dodge those attacks and the mage can heal I think full health, it really needs to be changed. The hole point is to make classes have different advantages and disadvantages so no matter what class you play, you can play quests by yourself but you WILL need other players with different classes to help you in some dungeons/bosses.

EDIT - Adding this to clarify that I made a mistake in how I have written the post since I think people might be getting confused.
The post is meant to suggest that every class has different advantages and disadvantages. I only targeted the warrior as being the weakest since I play that character and compared it to my Archer character and saw the disadvantages. What is meant to represent is that every class should have different advantages in combat.
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Warrior has bash... Thats AOE use common sense, if you cid alot change your strategy, im a warrior lv 63 and i can beat archers fine, charge around use uppercut, done.

MarkedForDeath · Jan 5, 2016

Yeah, warrior is pretty underpowered.

What really bothers me is that there's no attack that deals no knockback and thus I can't properly spam spells >:(

Red_Fox_Rogue · Jan 5, 2016

Warrior by default has more defence than all other classes, meaning that adding the same amount of health to an archer and warrior benefits the warrior more in terms of hit points sustained before death. Also you can upgrade defence if you want more health every level up. Or intelligence of you want more mana. It's almost as if *gasp* this occurred to the devs and they actually implemented a system that works!

IggyBoii · Jan 5, 2016

Johnny183 said: ↑

Hello everyone this is my first post and I made an account just to post this since it was very frustrating and balancing needs to be looked into. Just wanted to share my thoughts so take it lightly if you don't agree with me.

I am a lvl 65 Warrior and I have come to realize how pointless every class except for Archer/Mage is. (Don't really know about Assassin so take that out the picture)

Right now, in its current state gameplay is focused around loot and getting lucky to have better loot then other players. Since every single armor piece no matter what class can wear it makes the Warrior class very useless and makes the Archer class very OP. The warrior is full of negatives to list and I am going to show you them and explain why I think that this the warrior is unbalanced.

- Warriors have to get up close to deal damage
This is a problem since the entire system is revolved around getting loot and being lucky. So if I am not as lucky as other people I might have a lot less health and when your running in to trying to kill NPCs that spam or deal huge damage. It becomes really difficult to stay on top in the battle and becomes extremely aggravating.

- You don't gain health/mana on level up
This is a huge problem, like I stated above that the entire system revolves around loot to determine how good your character is. I have a friend who is an Archer, same level, has more health and does 4 times the amount of damage I do. Like above, if you don't have a lot of health as a warrior it becomes difficult to get up close to attack when certain mobs spam you with attacks.

- Gear is shared and not specific to classes except weapons
This is another huge problem that I have come across. The fact that there are Archers/Mages with way more health then me at the same level is very bad. Archers already are extremely overpowers with there abilities and the fact they can get the same gear as me makes them even more OP. Some types of gear should be specific to certain classes. For example, warrior gear will most likely have a lot more health and Archer gear will have attack speed and less health and such. This is how I think it should be and it would benefit and balance out the classes. Right now there is NO POINT AT ALL going warrior since the Archer/Mage is very OP at the moment and has range, same gear and very good abilities.

- Why is warrior so unbalanced summed up?
No specific gear other then weapons, no health gain on level up. Has to get up close to deal damage. Has to be lucky to get the right gear to play its class properly (Right now anybody can have the same gear other then weapons). If your fighting NPCs that deal a lot of damage and your not lucky enough to find good gear that can protect you. You get pretty much destroyed very fast since you have low health, low defense. Really does suck and makes it boring and frustrating.

- How should we balance classes?
Add specific gear for all types of classes that help to make that class what it is meant to be. For example, warrior should do less damage but be able to sustain with its large amount of health and single target damage. Archer should have less health but deal more damage and have a faster attack speed and not so OP AOE spells. Mage should be able to heal and also have less health and have AOE spells. Assassin should be able to have a lot less health but dish out huge amounts of single target damage. Also there should be cooldowns on abilities to stop the ability spam there currently is. Right now from what I have seen an archer can just run around has huge AOE damage and single target damage if they are lucky to find a good weapon it is impossible to stop them. They can also use that escape ability to get out of situations.

These adjusts will create a more balanced and fun game for everyone. Right now, no point rolling as warrior or Assassin with the amount of disadvantages it has. If you want to run around and destroy everything, spec Archer or Mage since the abilities are way to overpowered. I have also come to realize that the weapons I find for warriors do a lot less damage then the weapons I find for Archers in the same level category. Which is fine if there is specific gear and you gain health/mana on level up. Since there is none of that it is once again, another blow to the warrior class and points out how useless it is.

Bulletpoints
+ Gain health as a warrior on levelup.
+ Gain mana as a Archer/Mage on levelup
+ Gain attack speed and damage as a Assassin on levelup
+ Add cooldowns to spells.
+ Create class specific gear to balance gameplay.
+ Add better AOE damage spells to the Warrior
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Assassin to have high attack speed, high burst damage with less health
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Archer to have moderate attack speed, moderate health and moderate damage.
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Mage to heal players, slow attack speed with moderate damage.
+ (GEAR SPECIFIC) Warrior to have lots of health, weak damage and moderate attack speed.
- Balance the Archer/Mage so that its abilities are not so overpowered since in its current state, they destroy everything before anybody else sees it.
- Questionable, but remove Single target damage spells from Archer/Mage and just have AOE damage.

This server needs quite the overhaul if it wants to be balanced but it will work out well and better in the end. This will also give a good incentive for players to work together to defeat dungeons and such since every class has a specific role.

Thanks for reading.
Please reply with your thoughts or mistakes I have made.

EDIT - Skill points
I have not really targeted skill points but my suggestion is that they add specific skill points for all the classes. For example, warrior can have all 4 types of defense they can put skill points into and archer has attack speed, damage, mana, health. Mage has healing amount, health, mana, attack speed. Assassin has damage, mana, attack speed, overall defense. Something along those lines might work out well.

EDIT - Adding this reply I made to a comment highlighting some of the important aspects I stated in this post.
The problem is, in short, is that Archers or Mages because they can have the same gear as the Warrior and have even better spells although the uppercut spell on the warrior is good. This causes a problem since they can have more health, deal more damage. I mean, the Archer is stupidly overpowered with its abilities and they should have a cooldown system they are so overpowered. There is no point picking warrior as a class since they have NOTHING to benefit and thats the point I am trying to make. The archer is 10x better since you have range, you can have the same health/damage/defense/walk speed etc as the Warrior. The majority of weapons I find for the archer seem to do 3x the amount of damage of the weapons I find for the warrior. The disadvantages of the warrior are so large that its a pointless class at this point. If you want to be really good and destroy everything you see with little worry, you spec archer or mage since they can have everything a warrior or assassin can have with better abilities and have RANGE to stay away from those NPCs that spam attacks. The archer even has the speed buff to help dodge those attacks and the mage can heal I think full health, it really needs to be changed. The hole point is to make classes have different advantages and disadvantages so no matter what class you play, you can play quests by yourself but you WILL need other players with different classes to help you in some dungeons/bosses.

EDIT - Adding this to clarify that I made a mistake in how I have written the post since I think people might be getting confused.

The post is meant to suggest that every class has different advantages and disadvantages. I only targeted the warrior as being the weakest since I play that character and compared it to my Archer character and saw the disadvantages. What is meant to represent is that every class should have different advantages in combat.
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No
screw off, like gear specif for each class, bull shit, and for mages SLOW ATTACK SPEED?!?!?! omfg, then we would never be able to solo some bosses and you have 3 or 5 good ideas i liked, but if salted, grain, and jumla added all of these i bet u lots of people would quit wynncraft, like i would if it happend, why do our classes have to be specific and focus on only one thing!!! about the skill points idea, thats shit, mages would focus all into Mana, ez spam spells like attack speed can be abused, healing amount? its good enough as the original way, and stuff like that you shouldve added a poll so people can agree or disagree more then half of the people would disagree, this is a terrible idea.

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MarkedForDeath said: ↑

Yeah, warrior is pretty underpowered.

What really bothers me is that there's no attack that deals no knockback and thus I can't properly spam spells >:(
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when powders come in place, you can use the knockback powder.

MarkedForDeath · Jan 5, 2016

SkySez said: ↑

when powders come in place, you can use the knockback powder.
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When you properly read a post, you can reply.

IggyBoii · Jan 5, 2016

Sanae_pls said: ↑

The only thing I see that needs a rebalance is mage lol
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plz no, i like being mage.

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MarkedForDeath said: ↑

When you properly read a post, you can reply.
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Well, i can read, but i didnt realize there was 3 pages of posts, i only read the first page and 3rd page so ;p

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SkySez said: ↑

plz no, i like being mage.

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Well, i can read, but i didnt realize there was 3 pages of posts, i only read the first page and 3rd page so ;p
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nvm, any attack that deals NO knockback, well..

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SkySez said: ↑

plz no, i like being mage.

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Well, i can read, but i didnt realize there was 3 pages of posts, i only read the first page and 3rd page so ;p

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nvm, any attack that deals NO knockback, well..
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Rip my reading skills.....

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