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Should Assassin Be Buffed? *nether Update* (205+ Supporters!)

Discussion in 'General Suggestions' started by ohwooops, Dec 28, 2015.

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Should assassin's spells do more damage/consume less mana?

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  2. Nah, it should stay as it is.

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  3. More damage!

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  4. Consume less mana!

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  1. ohwooops

    ohwooops Not Very Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    Fine, I'll give you a better argument if that will satisfy you. I totally agree that assassin was OP before the update. It's after the update now, and assassin is no where near OP. The reason people are supporting this thread is because assassin rn is way too underpowered, and it actually needs to be buffed for the class system to be balanced. And about the bomb spell, that uses 8 mana and does how much damage? Multihit also uses 8 mana and is a lot weaker than his bomb arrow. You've got other spells too, such as arrow storm (which I have already stated that it can do 10k damage). Assassin is also buggy af, do any of your spells do no damage whatsoever? Smoke bomb doesn't, vanish takes up too much mana, multihit and spin attack are glitchy, etc. Low mana regen may affect all classes, but at least you have better damage than assassin does. (And by the way, actually reading the thread may answer some of your questions.)
     
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  2. Jenoma

    Jenoma Legendaries Hater VIP+

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    That is for sure! But this thread is about the wrong point. The game masters got to resolve the bugs your class now have, not to restore the "preponderance" assassins had... Must be balanced, everyone has been "nerfed"
     
  3. ExpiredBL

    ExpiredBL The Bombing Ninja HERO

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    Agreed, assassin was OP, but when your mana is drained almost instantly when using shadow clone, so that you cannot even fight once you re appear as you do not regen when you are invisible is broken. So is the fact that smoke bomb is lest of a bomb and more of a little fire cracker that deals barely any damage, assassin used to be great (and OP) but that was because assassin had the same buffs as the 3 other classes combined so it was able to solo things.
     
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    ohwooops Not Very Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    I'm not saying it should be restored, where have I ever put that? Some of my supporters might do, but this thread isn't about that. Some of these bugs don't affect the damage, such as multihit's, and this thread talks about the damage an assassin does. The damage is too low for it's range, compared to every other class, making it weak and unbalanced. I am not saying it should be restored, but that it needs some kind of buff.
     
  5. Jenoma

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    When the Gavel expansion came out, they said "take potions with you" and "fighting will be harder" ... Almost every class can do only 1-2 spell until full mana regen now !
    Also Assassins got a few of nice hyper fast atspd weapons, and with the right elemental build u will make pretty good damage also without spamming skills, u just have to "reinvent" your battle style
     
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    ohwooops Not Very Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    By spamming left click now? No more spells? Have you read my thread? 'Most classes can only do 1-2 spells until full mana regen,' Probably 2 or 3 spells, but the DAMAGE in those 2-3 spells is stronger in every class apart from assassin. You need to take damage as well as mana into account, and so far you've only addressed mana.
     
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    With a full Agi-Air build the chance of getting hit by a spell is really low. Air will also make u run faster and air weapons are the one with fast aspd.
    Mix em with thunder to have a nice defence against the hunter/archer 10k bomb (archer uses thunder and air normally)... nop?

    it's not ALL skills, i said, it's skill + attacking + strategy + potion + build
    First it was just spamming bombs, hiding, clones, and bye bye every enemy, boss or ppl
     
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    Witcher the crappy class suggestions guy

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    I have beaten the hive as mage with 3 assasins and 2 archers, but it has been the assasins who were dealing the most damage!
     
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    ohwooops Not Very Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    What proof do you have that assassin dealt the most damage? And it seems like the amount of assassins beats the amount of archers too. I beat Qira with a bunch of each class a few days ago and I can't tell who dealt most damage. I can tell the amount of damage apart very easily, just try each class out on the same mobs. What I have noticed, along with a ton of others, is that assassin is the weakest class out of the lot by far, not only because of the bugs, but because it's damage compared to it's range and mana taken up is is just a lot worse than any of the other classes.
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    You have a point that elements certainly help in combat, but I don't really use them as Bob's Mythic Daggers only have neutral damage and they are the best weapon I have right now. What I'm talking about though is comparison between the:
    - Damage
    - Mana used/regen
    - Range
    of the spells that the classes have. Let's use a warrior's uppercut, as I have a 75 warrior and am familiar with the class.
    - Uppercut has better range than multihit.
    - Uppercut does more damage than multihit. (Uppercut does 5k dam, multihit does 2k dam)
    - Uppercut takes the same amount of mana as multihit. (7 mana)
    Now, what do you think is weaker?
     
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  10. ExpiredBL

    ExpiredBL The Bombing Ninja HERO

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    Assassin's attacks do little damage, smoke bomb doesnt work properly, multihit has lost the ability to control mobs when they are being hit (and no knockback) and their RRR ability drains your mana in roughly 10 seconds meaning you cannot even sprint.

    Chakram is one of the fastest swinging weapons, however its damage is appalling, a speed build is great if you want to deal low damage fast, but a friend of mine compared his damage as warrior and my damage as a ninja, he did the same damage in 1 hit as i did in my multi hit, and i was 3 levels higher than him, with a higher strength allocation and dex allocation.

    Assassins have gone from too OP to barely able to survive.
    Out of the 3 classes you have listed you should probably realise that Archers deal a large amount of damage overall, and there are 3 assassins : 2 archers : 1 mage, in a 1:1:1 situation assassin would do the least.
     
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    ohwooops Not Very Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    Thank you for actually getting my point.
     
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    In fact, as i said, there are bugs that has to be fixed
     
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    ohwooops Not Very Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    Look, I'll edit this damn thread, change the title, and maybe that will be ok?
     
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    Cmon, don't get it bad and too seriously.. I'm just saying that every class has been a little bit modified (according also to the new elemental system). Bugs has to be resolved, and u will surely see an improvement when everything will be ok
     
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    you sort of do..
     
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    Really? The weakest? You obviously haven't played as a Mage. The combat as a mage is so bad you have to hit enemies that are 5-10 levels lower than you seventeen times just to kill them.
     
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    Esfores In and Out of Existence

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    really? because i main Mage and i've been tearing through every enemy easily, even enemies higher level than i am
     
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    Kriotus Professional Lurker CHAMPION

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    lol, mage is slightly op now, warrior can deal massive slow damage with earth elements (making it as good as mage or better in terms of damage) and archers can deal over 20k dmg with one arrow storm from a non endgame bow
     
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    What level mage are you? I'm L52.
     
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    Esfores In and Out of Existence

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    level 88, INT based
     
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