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What In The Actual Hell

Discussion in 'Guild Discussions' started by IceResistance, Jan 20, 2021.

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  1. BeastlyNinja13

    BeastlyNinja13 Prof Hell VIP+

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    I'm honestly not surprised at this point; so much old content is so badly optimized, something like this was bound to happen and will probably not get fixed for a weeks.
     
  2. Moe_Ronickah

    Moe_Ronickah Traveling through hyperspace . . .. QA Manager QA CHAMPION

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    I have a stupid question. Is this live, on main?
     
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  3. IceResistance

    IceResistance Titans Valor [ANO] Leader CHAMPION

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    Levels and slots, yes. They pushed those early.
     
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    xMini_ Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    Ahhh, don’t you just love spending money on shout bombs so you can recruit more guild members... only to wake up the next day and see this update pushed and not be able to recruit anymore... ah this is the life. best 20 bucks spent
     
  5. Pally

    Pally Proud Titans Valor [ANO] Owner HERO

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    We really did LOL
     
  6. Calluum

    Calluum Cal CHAMPION

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    yes :like: and salted confirmed it'd stay like this. it sure is a good day to lose so much time and effort to a couple very well super duper thought out decisions :relieved:
     
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    Pally Proud Titans Valor [ANO] Owner HERO

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  8. scottmad

    scottmad The Council will see you to you later....

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  9. MlecznyHuxel99

    MlecznyHuxel99 Fruman walls guy VIP+

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    Pog, time to kick like 11 recruits from FUB because "haha 1.20 go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"
    great.......
     
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  10. Moe_Ronickah

    Moe_Ronickah Traveling through hyperspace . . .. QA Manager QA CHAMPION

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    Alright. I did some digging.
    I can't disclose exactly how the system works, however, from looking at it from the inside, there is actually a logic to it, and to what happens. Lower level guilds leveled up several times because of their XP. Higher level guilds, not so much. The guild system got reworked, and I can't explain all of it. There was basically nothing that was done differently with XP, this update, from the last update. Some guilds are going to be happy with it, some guilds won't be. The changes were made purely mathematically, and they aren't meant to hurt or to help any specific guild(s). When you start wars, you'll see the difference.

    I know that for some guilds it feels as if you've been harmed, directly. Please understand, that this happens every time that there is a guild update, right? It's purely mathematical. I think that if you look at what happened to each guild, you'll get an idea of what the mathematics is. Knowing this community, if you look at all of the level changes, you'll see that there is an underlying, fair, mathematical rule that is being used.

    And last, but not least, every possible way of making the updates to guild XP was looked at. We know that no matter what we do, nothing is going to make everyone happy, it just can't happen. It really can't. And for that, I'm personally sorry, as is the rest of the Wynn team.
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  11. Gumikacsa

    Gumikacsa Better than Sir Sandyduck HERO

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    Damn, did the update backfire this bad?
     
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    EnderJay456 Aphelion Immigrant CHAMPION

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    funny thing is that the update isn't even out, its just the guild level scaling that happened today
     
  13. IceResistance

    IceResistance Titans Valor [ANO] Leader CHAMPION

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    Salted said himself the system isn't the fairest, but that its basically the best they could do.

    A Guild has 500/1000 XP
    The XP requirement goes up by 50 each level
    The cap now changes to 100
    The guild now has 500/100 XP
    Guild Level Up! It now has 400/150 XP
    Guild Level Up! It now has 250/200 XP
    Guild Level Up! It now has 50/250 XP

    Essentially, we kept the xp from the current level we are on. That in itself is very questionable, we basically keep a very tiny fraction of our efforts. In my opinion, this doesn't benefit anyone in the current system. Some guilds jumped more than others because they had more xp/percentage points in their current level, but past work was invalidated nonetheless. Only guilds that really benefit are the ones that don't even exist yet.

    There could have been other ways to go about this. I get it is mathematical, but the concern is the mathematical rule being used.

    Level aside, the MAIN concern is guild slots. Level was touched, but guild slots were absolutely eradicated. We thought that we would all jump in level so that it would balance out, and so guild slots had to be nerfed so it would balance, but that clearly isn't the case.
     
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    Calluum Cal CHAMPION

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    What does it matter if a mathematical rule is affecting all guilds, it doen't make it better to know that all guilds are losing out on hours of time spent varying from just a couple hour to actual big guilds using thousands of hours work from over years.
     
  15. Drew1011

    Drew1011 Former Viceroy of the Foxes / Reviver of Kingdoms HERO

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    Fifteenth edition of “Wynncraft not understanding that it’s absolutely inexcusable to completely roll back progress players have already made and features that they have already unlocked”
     
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  16. IceResistance

    IceResistance Titans Valor [ANO] Leader CHAMPION

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    We were at level 77, we got bumped to level 78.

    6 of my guild members decided to go grind dxp and we got to level 79 in an hour

    This is so absurdly broken. The work of guilds is being extremely invalidated. It is ridiculous that a guild as high a level as mine can just level in an hour with little effort. What used to take forever now takes little time.
     
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    tukorama Well-Known Adventurer CHAMPION

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    I personally do not agree with the decision.

    Before this whole thing, we were #48 guild in terms of gxp. When this exchange happened, we just levelled up before, so we were on 0 percent. Due to the conversion, we got literally nothing. That would basically not be a problem, but I think that it is completely unfair that we were overtaken by those who were even 7 levels behind us, and jumped back to #70+ places. I have only one question. It wouldn’t have been easier and fairer to just keep the levels and percentages? Just calculate the level and round the value to the appropriate percentage.

    I don’t know what the problem is with the fact that higher levels are much harder to achieve than lower ones

    Overall, I think it would be appropriate to at least maintain a ranking among the guilds compared to the original.
     
  18. FrozenGalaxy

    FrozenGalaxy Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    Unpopular opinion, but I am actually pretty excited for 1.20. I think guild rework was well needed, I absolutely love the changes they made to warring. And the guild levels update was a needed preparation for 1.20, where everything will work differently. Huge thumbs up to Wynn for that.

    As Moe_Ronickah pointed out, there is no update, what will everyone like. You can't listen to the players too much, because there are many different opinions, someone will be always disappointed.

    I suggest you, Ice, and everyone who is mad at the update, to use this energy to think about new strategies, plan, adjust to the new system, and thus prepare and improve your guilds to remain strong in the update as well.

    After all, guilds are about being prepared to every possible situation.
     
  19. IceResistance

    IceResistance Titans Valor [ANO] Leader CHAMPION

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    This isn't at all related to the guild war function.

    They changed level caps and didn't properly scale the already earned xp, and nerfed slots big time.
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    The #1 spot is about to be heavily contested because, despite years of efforts, it didn't transfer over. They nerfed guild xp requirements, but they did not adjust the levels of existing guilds. They've essentially made it ridiculously easy to level now and kept everyone exactly where they are at.

    My guild leveled entirely to 79 in just an hour of a few people casually grinding. Soon enough, everyone will be past the level 80 range and pass up
     
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    dn6818 Well-Known Adventurer VIP

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    I absolutely agree. I dont know who is responsible for this but keeping the xp amount and not the percentage in a new system where the level up requirement is lower is just unacceptable. Next time, please keep us on 99.9% so we level up 10 times with the amount of xp we have in the new system.
     
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