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Mage/Dark Wizard Help Tstack singu

Discussion in 'Class Builds' started by mama Luigi, Nov 20, 2021.

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  1. mama Luigi

    mama Luigi Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    Can I have one with no crabs please
     
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    BlueTheSniper Founder of Blue Builds CHAMPION

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    crafted singu is garbage now
     
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    mama Luigi Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    So just use non crafted?
     
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    J_Lo777 Wynn Artist CHAMPION

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    Scarlet Veil isn't exactly a good choice here when you only have 20% exploding

    https://wynnbuilder.github.io/index...9m910K40OH0Qp111h0g1B0y1g00003OnZCOOnZ6C0036C
    WynnBuilder build:
    > Scarlet Veil
    > Smack Jacket
    > Second Wind
    > Nether's Scar
    > Breezehands
    > CR-19HAc9i9k7J7J9m91
    > Prowess
    > Diamond Fusion Necklace
    > Singularity [f6f6t6t6t6t6t6t6t6t6t6t6t6t6t6]

    Use Smack Jacket instead of Tisaun's as a chestplate to help cover up the negative ls from Second Wind, and to get more exploding (puts you at max 46% exploding, which is honestly still not that great but it's acceptable for using Scarlet Veil). It lowers your ehp a bit but it's a good tradeoff in order to make better use of Scarlet Veil

    The other choice would be to just use Nephilim instead of Scarlet Veil :)
     
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    I didn't use Scarlet Veil for the major ID, I did it because Scarlet Veil out damages every other helmet, including Nephilim. Even without the major ID it would still be better than Nephilim IMO.

    The -LS from Second Wind is completely irrelevant because super fast + heal. Sacrificing 11k EHP and a bit of DPS is not really worth an extra 26% exploding on a class that already has AOE basic attacks.
     
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    mama Luigi Well-Known Adventurer HERO

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    I am wondering what's the dps difference between scarlet veil major id and without it? I feel it don't make a huge difference
     
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    J_Lo777 Wynn Artist CHAMPION

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    The dmg difference comes from the extra dmg you deal to other mobs aside from the one you're attacking directly due to the Exploding ID. The difference isn't noticeable against a boss because well, there's only one mob. But in general situations where you're fighting multiple monsters, the dps difference is quite significant. It'll allow you to kill huge hordes of monsters with relatively more ease compared to just meleeing.
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    Also minus ls actually has an impact because as you said, it's a class that has AOE attacks and thus will have a much higher chance to proc the minus ls while fighting big hordes of mobs. Don't underestimate how often ls/ms can proc on tierstack, especially on a class with AOE attacks. And yes you have the heal spell, but it's a 4cost heal spell when you only have 1mr.

    Your point about Scarlet Veil is rather invalid if you're trying to argue ehp - Nephilim would've easily made the better choice due to the fact that it not only covers minus ls, it gives you an extra 11kehp over Scarlet Veil and it has 3ms which will help with your mana sustain if you need to use the heal spell.
     
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    Idk the specifics on it but when the item was being developed, they had to reduce the damage from the explosions to 5% main damage per hit during Hero Beta testing for 1.20+ since it was so powerful. They also later added the "on basic attack" thing to it since imagine using a crowd control spell like Bash or Meteor with Explosive Impact, it would be way too powerful. The fact that they added Explosive Impact after months of delay for it shows that it wasn't easy to balance and in some ways, it is pretty mean when paired with the right items. To answer your question, I am not certain but I think it might be that each explosion 5% main attack damage but I wouldn't quote myself on this.

    That being said, if you wanted to try and use Scarlet Veil in a Singularity Tierstack, it would be possible with an example like this but it's exploding isn't 100% and its ehp is pretty abysmal. Other options you could try might be using crafted items or Virgo but they come with their own slew of problems, like Virgo having 5 hp, -20 defense, and -20 agility.

    In all honesty, I wouldn't recommend doing a Singularity Tierstack with Explosive Impact mostly because your survivability is going to be pretty bad, even with a healing spell. Explosive Impact was kinda meant to be used with items with a high explosion like Cluster, Zero, Collapse, etc or builds that are meant to have high explosion. Can a tierstack Singularity build achieve a high explosion, yes, but it will cost you more than the benefits of Explosive Impact I would say.


    Now to throw my sense into this, I can attest that the -ls from Second Wind in a build such as a Tierstack Singularity isn't going to affect you too much. I use a Tierstack Collapse build similar to what is being recommended by everyone and from my testing, if you are up against normal enemies of the Silent Expanse, the -ls never reall has a chance to activate if you can kill them fast enough. If this is used per say on a boss, I would say that the effects can start to become noticeable maybe but since it is against a boss, you are more likely to get more damage from the boss than the -ls from Second Wind to the point it may not even be noticed as a damage that is happening.

    As far as the heal is concerned, I can attest to this to as I use RotS as a sustain. You can heal all you want but the mana cost will catch up to you eventually if you take huge damage from a mob that does a spam attack. If you can act quick and heal at regular intervals in relation to a spell cooldown, this isn't too bad but don't expect to try and solo LI easily on a build like this easily as the spam attacks in a closed, close area will nail you hard.
     
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    I've actually used second wind on singularity tierstack before, it has literally never caused a single problem for me ever. I most certainly have not underestimated it's impact, it is straight up a complete non factor.

    Nephilim does have higher EHP than scarlet veil but it doesn't go as high as 11k, and you're missing out on up to 3k base DPS, which goes even higher when you use courage. This DPS difference doesn't even factor in the major ID on multiple mobs, which while isn't particularly effective due to low exploding can still add some DPS.

    When it comes to Scarlet Veil vs Nephilim it's just a question of much more damage vs EHP and some utility, but I somehow doubt anybody's building tierstack Singularity to have high EHP and utility.
     
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