Some Tol Theories

Hello there, I am robodog4, or as my name currently implies, 2016. Today I am going to bring up a few theories to you. I found these while I was soloing CoW on Mage as level 68. (Yes I did solo him git rekt).

Spoiler: Theory 1: Kelight has knowledge of the fourth wall

Now, this theory may seem very far fetched, but think about it. If you examine his dialouge, you can see in some parts he hints that you aren't the only one to have "killed" CoW before. Now, these are some dialouges.

Jorkin: Wow, you really plan on attacking that beast? I do not think it has ever been done...

Garull: I don't encourage you to fight this creature. I do not think anyone has faced it in battle and lived to tell the tale...

Kelight: Be very careful. Only death can let you escape his jail. Pray so that your soul can hold his corrupted heart when he slays you.

Kelight: Amazing! This is great!! It has been way too long since a brave adventurer vanquished the beast!

Now that that is out of the way, let us get to the theory. Looking at the first two dialouges (Jorkin and Garull), you can obviously see that they are trying to get you to back down from fighting CoW, and you can see that they believe no one has ever killed CoW before, let alone escaped from him. Now, look at the fourth dialogue. Here, Kelight clearly states "It has been way too long since a brave adventurer vanquished the beast!". Notice, how Kelight clearly says "vanquished" and not "Defeated" or "Beaten", simply "vanquished". Now, this is the dictionary meaning of vanquished.

to defeat (someone) completely in a war, battle, etc.

See? COMPLETELY. If you were to defeat someone, that could mean a million things. You could've simply wounded them, had them surrender, made them faint, etc. However, with vanquished, you defeat theM COMPLETELY. This obviously implies someone else had already KILLED and taken CoW's corrupted heart. But wait! If someone already took it, how could you have gotten it too? Of course, respawning! CoW respawned for you to kill him! That of course, would mean that Kelight is most likely fully aware that CoW can respawn. However, in other dialogues, quests, etc., It is often stated that there is no respawning in Wynn, only permanent death, unless you're talking from outside the fourth wall, which again, means that Kelight is aware of the fourth wall.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, look at the third dialouge. "Only death can let you escape his jail." Now, here, once again, Kelight makes a notion to his knowledge of respawning. How else would someone know that if the player dies, they can simply respawn? Also, on a side note, I believe he makes a reference to what happens when you die and you have no sp with the dialogue "Pray so that your soul can hold his corrupted heart when he slays you. If you were to think about it, he is subtly hinting that you shouldn't fight CoW on bloody 2 SP, since you'll lose all your stuff, including the Corrupted Heart. Anyways, Kelight knows that you can respawn, and he casually tells you to die so that you can give him the heart. Of course, this could be just a case of Kelight's dialogue not being changed, since there's a teleporting hole in the cave now. Also, as another sidenote, Kelight expects you to have certain items which of course can only be obtained once from looking at a lore perspective (eg. Bob's Crushed Soul, Saylerous' brother's ashes, mummy bandage, etc.) However, looking from a GAMEPLAY perspective, those items can be obtained by LITERALLY EVERYONE if they wish to do the quest. Now that I have explained to you my theory, I hereby deduce that Kelight has knowledge of the fourth wall.

Spoiler: Theory 2: Kelight knows of Creepers existing.

Now, this seems weird, as Kelight clearly states "He was very intrigued by some mythical creature named Creepers... what a fool. Creepers existing? Pft!" He emphasizes that he does not believe in creepers, followed by this statement: "It's like suggesting an Ender Dragon will attack Detlas!" Now, let me lay out the full dialouge, as well as something else for you to fully grasp the image of this.

Kelight: He was very intrigued by some mythical creature named Creepers... what a fool. Creepers existing? Pft! It's like suggesting an Ender Dragon will attack Detlas!



In the dialogue, Kelight says "It's like suggesting an Ender Dragon will attack Detlas!" obviously, Kelight is using this as emphasis. Or is he? Nalun says "People say that the firey dragon once attacked the city of Detlas in the Wynn Province" Now, let me point out the similarities.

Dragon? Check.

Attack? Check.

Detlas? Check.

Although Kelight speaks of an Ender Dragon, I believe Ender Dragons are not canon, and this simply just the unchanged dialogue or whatever. I believe that Kelight is actually referring to the legend of the dragon attacking Detlas, and on a side note, creepers are a legend. Realize how they are both legends, how Kelight uses a legend to emphasis another legend's nonexistance, and someone from GAVEL of all places, Kelight's home province, talks about this legend, and how it is THE TEMPLE OF LEGENDS! Ok, maybe I'm picking at the bottom of the barrel here, but here me out. What if, just what if, by using the legend of the dragon as emphasis, and knowing that later on, the player (as I said earlier Kelight knows of the fourth wall) will encounter a dwarf who will speak to the player about the legend, actually hints that Kelight himself knows of the Creepers' existance. After all, he does reside in the temple of Legends, essentially the Wynnic version of The Library of Alexandria. There are legends and myths and stories there, so it isn't that far of a stretch he knows about creepers, and the rumor that they exist, and since he is friends with Garull, he probably knows that creepers do exist. Therefore, I deduce that Kelight knows about Creepers and believes in their existance.

Spoiler: tl;dr

screw you read the whole damn thing

Thank you for reading and feel free to completely debunk my theories and leave me shattered for all the hours I have spent on research I have done. No pressure :)

Also btw in the photo that is not the first time I've been to Thanos. I was level 68 when I went there first. :>

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Best part of the thread tbh

nice theory tho

 

Nice theory ;>
It's like Kelight had visited Thanos before and talked to Nalun himself about the legends..

 

or the otherway aroubd. Nalun went to Wynn and asked Kelight about the Legend and Kelight didnt talk about any dragon attacking.

wait why did I just debunk my own theory wtf is wrong with me

 

Most of this probably doesn't apply now because as you said, there is a teleportation hole that allows you to escape his hole. "Only death can let you escape his jail" could also be his way of saying "lol you won't make it out alive he's too strong"

Well, obviously the items can be obtained by everyone, but looking from the Lore perspective each person is probably the hero in their own quest, you're supposed to ignore the other people in the wynncraft world. Using this logic where "X expects you to do y or get z which can only be done/obtained once" is kinda of silly.

Theory 1 is a pretty nice theory however, if I do say so myself.

 

yeh, I kinda got lazy with theory 2 since I was so fatigued from spending three hours on this thread

 

I wasn't saying theory 2 was bad at all, I haven't read it yet and probably won't read it until tomorrow :P

also since it doesn't seem to show up in my first post
The first part of theory 1 seems pretty solid, however is could also just be dismissed as a bad choice of words by the quest creator, but I doubt that.

 

I think its just probably that the quest dialogue wasn't "future-proof"

 

Not bad. He would not be the only one to break the fourth wall, as the king of ragni legit gives you a website link.

Thread followed

 

I remember talking to that guy in Thanos and thinking the exact same thing

 

Same

 

"tl;dr" is amazing

Well, when you do Beyond the Grave, you learn more about death and how it fits into the whole thing. Maybe Kelight has died before but managed to live again?

 

I was thinking that. Perhaps he meant that was how you continue after the CoW kills you for the first 10 times before you manage to kill him?