SPOILER Some Small Tips On How To Make Cinfras Better (lots Of Pictures Included)

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I just want to start this off by saying that the Content Team has done an AMAZING job reworking builds, I love each place that has had a boost and there is much more to explore now.
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I love the new Cinfras and am very impressed of the Builders, but there are small aspects of it that could be improved a lot with just a little difference.
I really like Cinfras as it is, its awesome an I love the builds, the main things I would say that actually need doing is the lighting and the guild hall needs stuff in it besides 2 merchants filling up a big room, but if there were to be alternatives to aspects of this build, these would be stuff I would be ok with:

What I think should be done is:

Guild Hall:

• The Guild Master and Emerald Merchant rooms are incredibly plain for 1 small merchant in each place

Airbase:

• The Airbase could do with some slightly more (neat) clutter

• The top of the airbase could do with more people and with more work happening, it should feel almost like a construction site of Workers, Merchants, cranes lifting crates, machines at work, Airships docking and flying off, etc.

I just want to say at everything looks 1000x better than before, there was just mess EVERYWHERE and you could barely find anything. Everything is so much smoother (slightly too smooth) now and easier to see, also more enjoy enjoyable to look at. If you haven't seen it:



Center of Town:

• The area needs to be lit up
• The center needs some more warm factors, maybe small garden beds with vines growing up the wall or just some lamp posts
• Most of the hanging stuff on top of the center of town should be removed (not that they are bad) so it can be more open

(Note I want to change this text to something that makes more sense) Every Major town has an AFK spot. Detlas has the Item Identifier crates to AFK on, old Cinfras has the emerald blocks with a ring shaped floor pattern around it in the center to AFK at. Lutho has a open space to AFK at. New Cinfras has a decent AFK center, but its just too dark at night.

Every major town has a spot where people hang out the most, usually that will be between the middle of town or the bank. The darkness of the center of town, the closed feeling of it and the smallness of the bank don't give very homely vibes.

Look at the differences:




Update: The center of town now has a lamp post and a couple of the hanging things have been removed to make the space feel more open



Bank:

I would say the main thing with the bank is probably just adding two windows and making it look less cold in there, those beacon lights really give of a magic dungeon merchant kind of vibe to me

• The Bank should not look like an underground dungeon room, see the differences between Detlas and Cinfras

• Needs to be more lit up with more light and it should have a warmer look
• It should be more open and the beacons make the Bank look cold and less welcoming.
• The wooden panels against the walls could have windows

• (This isn't much of an improvement) The area around Emerald Merchants against the walls could have a couple more details

Update: The Bank has a new look, I love it but I do feel like it could do with some slightly more detailing




Roofs:
I have had some comments saying that the orange and red should stay, and I have to say I have already changed my opinion on them, I really like them. I guess the reason I suggested a change to them originally is because in a realistic city, those colours would fade so I guess I was just looking at the realistic side of it. Ill still keep it as a suggestion so you can see my reasoning, but I dont consider this something that should be changed anymore. Thank you for the feedback everyone

(One note is that EO's darker and saturated colours go well in its location because its a land of darkness and EO doesn't look like it gets much sun, Silent Expanse seems like it shouldn't even have sunlight.

But Cinfras gets hit by the sun a lot so having saturated colours on the top of the roofs doesn't match because realistically they would fade with all that light and being in the open. But I think the dark bricks as the roofs look good despite what I said. Only thing is that they don't contrast well with the brightness of daylight. I still like them though)

The orange and red outlines should change to match the dark bricks


And the build style should match with this, so really the orange and red should be changed to Dark Oak planks:

(not a fan of the Dark Blue Concrete on the left, the Terracotta is nice though)



So really the orange and red could be changed to Dark Oak planks

Update: The roofs have been changed!




Lastly, I want to say that I absolutely love the look of the Gardens, and those shades of green and mossy walls with the elegant Birch trees really satisfies my eyes

 

hmm ... if you remove the orange and blue the whole thing becomes basically a more boring build and less colourful. The bank really looks a bit weird imo but I somehow like it.
Finally... I love that they didnt light up everything because it looks more like a city at night.

please note: I respect your opinion of course, just wanted to post that stuff lol

 

Ice Bear thinks the roof designs are unique enough for the bright orange and red to be unnecessary. Ice Bear thinks they look too different from the guild hall for the places to be in the same area. Ice Bear does think the bright colors in the city are nice though.

 

i respect your opinion, but i'm curious on how is a dark city good? cities irl aren't dark at night since they have lamp posts and most huge cities have people on the street 24/7 so it isnt rlly dark

 

I think it depends on location within the city; Wynn is a pseudo-medieval world, so it makes sense for it to not be lit up that well at night. But I still agree with you; the town center is the hub of Cinfras and where all the major traffic passes through. Right now it looks more like a side alley in terms of lighting

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Honestly I think the floor pattern might need something more, too

 

Ahmm... I live in a medieval city in the heart of europe in a 700 year old house.
I know how they look at night. Pretty dark and kinda scary

 

(Edited the post so that the suggestions don't sound so forceful, that wasn't my intention)

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This is Cinfras, its not supposed to be dark and scary, its a fantasy city which is like the heart of Gavel. I get what your point is with this but this is Cinfras town center, not a dark alley where people sell drugs. Besides if you go onto the HERO Beta, and hang around the center, it feels so lonely like you are in a city where everyone is asleep. That might be the case with parts of a IRL city but Cinfras needs a homely feel to it otherwise no one would wanna hang out there. Detlas is lit up where everyone goes and Detlas is full when you have ghost players turned on and it looks like a lively community trading hub, exactly what Detlas is supposed to be

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I like colours and don't have a problem with the roofs at all, however I would also be fine with the change I suggested. Either way Cinfras is cool

 

e ...
nobody sells drugs here lol
its just dark at night

 

Anything can happen at night

 

spooky & scary

also e

 

Keep in mind that you're not HERO so you likely have not actually been in the city.
I don't know whether it would be any different but you have to remember that being somewhere gives a different vibe to looking at photos of it.

 

yea thats true... I just watched Renè's videos where he explores cinfras and I thought it looked nice

also stop reminding me that I still cant play the beta. It hurts. Really hard. What a pain. Yes. Yes Im going to write a lot of pointless stuff. It kinda damages my brain. Why cant I test the update. Pain. Thats exhausting. Oof I dont want to write any more. Aaa. Im gonna go now. What a pain. I cant stop! I can. Bye. Ok not really. Maybe now? No. Now. bye. weird

 

Sorry, yes.
I would really like to play the Beta as well.
It's probably the only reason why I would buy a rank if I had the money to get one.

 

xD
wait now I need to flex with my VIP rank to push myself.
Ahmm I ... I have those. .. mob totems? Idk what they do but ... but I have ... I have them I guess...
and.. ohh yes I have the trade market slots I never use ... and .. and. .. yea ok actually forget about that

ok now for real... HERO is actually useful. I need it in my life

 

Great suggestions, really love the ideas you're bringing to the table beyond saying that the town has problems and leaving it at that. I've nonstop complained about the bank so I think I won't go into too much detail here, but I think moving the bankers to the outside wall and removing most of the gray will fix a lot of the issues with the bank. It feels too tight and small which is really strange for one of the biggest towns.

I think the bigger, and harder to fix issue, is that the whole city feels way too small thanks to the roads being tiny. Your comparison shots of the center of Detlas vs the new Cinfras is crazy to me since Cinfras is like 4 times bigger then Detlas and somehow the town center looks and feels so much smaller. This is unrealistic, but I feel like if they at least doubled the size of the roads I would like the town a whole lot more since it would feel more grand and big, as opposed to what it is now where you enter a massive gate only to be greeted by a glorified backalley..

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I didn't read this before I wrote what's above, and I wish I had since the feeling of it being a place where drugs is sold is exactly the feeling I get from the city center. It's dark, small and sketchy. The city center feels like it's not the real city center, it's some corner in town where the shady people hang out.

 

Exactly.
I think that this would be a good feeling if it were somewhere slightly more obscure.
I haven't been to new Cinfras (not being HERO and all), but old cinfras had many buildings and side-alleys.
I think that the dark feel would be good in the area between some houses and they could even have NPCs with Jbip petting-like (but not petting obviously) dialogues.
Likely they wouldn't mention drugs, but they could imply them.

 

I think it doesn't look terrible, but I agree with the bright colour bit. The roof colour is jarring, but otherwise the rework is a lot better than the "slab spam" original. It also seems a bit cluttered tho

 

Lutho 2

 

TBF I think the builders know more about builds than we do, like how the new HSB hub was criticized but later people got used to it and admitted it was better.
I do agree there should be more lighting though, but I would know bc i use fullbright :p

 

Just because the people on the H------ server like it doesn't mean we should...
But still, we may get more used to it.
I do think there is an issue with everything in Wynn and Gavel looking kinda like EO or Lutho or smth, and the Wynn houses looking like Llevigar ones, but yes we may become more happy with it later on.