Tailoring Obelisk Core + Ritual Catalyst

Do these two combined have a chance to end up with +4 Attack Speed?

 

lmao melee is the new meta (back to 1.16)

 

the ingredient was changed in the recent push


I have an obelisk core aswell but I cant test it out due to my lvl not being high enough to do anything with it, if someone else can that would be great

 

the -200% might push the base value to 2, meaning 1-2 would be possible; if my analysis of this thread is correct. So yes, +2 tier on that crafted item at the cost of huge negative spell damage and mana steal.

 

I don't think that that's that (._.) big of a deal. There's currently no leggings or boots with +2 tier attack speed and most of them have similar (albeit a little less extreme) drawbacks. There's also a good chance you'll have superior defensive capabilities, especially when compared to the leggings, so I'd say that it's definitely worth it.

 

it is a bigger deal than you might think

 

You could, you know, elaborate...

Anyway, I would say that if you're goung hybrid you're probably better off using black hole at the cost of some extra durability. If you're going full melee then the negative mana regen might be an annoyance, but I think the two tiers of attack speed will at least make it more useful than a lot of the current attack speed gear.

 

Negative mana steal will cause you to lose mana by attacking, limiting sprinting and other combat options.

 

you are building for melee, so -mana steal will hurt badly. If you don't have mana you can't use spells to escape attacks or avoid damage. If you have massive -spell % you run the risk of hitting the magic -100% mark; virtually eliminating all of your spell damage outside of raw.

It's mana STEAL not regen. The latter would actually be worse IMO, but negative steal is still a big disadvantage. Current +attack speed items are great! What are you talking about?! Dia Static, Breezehands, CoI, Battlegrounds Dancer (never used but actually decent), Accelerator, Nephilim, etc.

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hello
+40 int min is there by the way, so either
a. bs sp tight, limiting abilities to use other strong melee items
b. rainbow build

also, if i'm not stupid, you only get +1 tier (since it's now -1 tier only)
reasoning:
current: -1 tier
modifier: -200%

200% of -1 = -2
-1 - (-2) = +1

 

not like your going to need spell damage and mana steal might activate once in a lifetime

 

Wait why would you do -1 -(-2). Isn't it just -200% of -1, which equals 2?

 

the ingredient effectivness is additive, not multiplicative

so a bonus of 40% + 50% is 190% total (100% + 40% + 50%) rather than 210% (100% * 1.40 * 1.50)

 

it's additive, not multiplicative. this is why old gambler was mega op (-85% ele def, 200 raw)

if it was the way you described, you would pretty much automatically have -170 ele def (if equipped alone). however, since it's additive, it would've been 30 ele def rainbow.

 

Ah I thought it was multiplicitive, my bad (pretty new to the game)

 

Agreed, the Int req is a big problem for this. Just using Black Hole and hoping for good luck is probably the better option

 

Oop my bad it's mana steal, I was not writing what I was thinking. I've never seen people not use Grimtrap because of the -mana steal. Also you should keep in mind that it's a tailoring item so leggings and boots only. And when you look at those, specifically leggings, it's not looking so hot. But as said before the int requirement might be annoying and it's only one tier now, so black hole is pretty much objectively better.

 

yes

Also true. However, the biggest problem with that line of thinking is: it's a mythic. If you have a mtyhic and enjoy melee more than spell, you're gonna make it work. Even if that means countering or working around the -mana steal. It also has a lot of damage when tier stacked because of the higher strength requirement than other melee stacking weapons. That's also part of being a mythic tho.

 

uhh you wouldn't need to do damage with spells with a melee build tho
isn't that the whole point of being a melee build...

 

Yes, but having some spell damage is still useful for quick burst damage if you don't plan on using high -spell%. Especially if you are using a powder special like curse or courage. Mashing quick spells during powder specials can give a huge boost, even for melee builds. If you're earth/thunder then yes it won't matter. I genuinely have never heard of anyone using wind prison though.