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Gravity And Vindicator=bad News

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Justice, Nov 19, 2020.

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  1. Justice

    Justice Obliterator of Grooks VIP+

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    Alright, inspired by the thread of LE having the power of thermonuclear weapons, I decided to make a little thread of my own, but on 2 items, specifically their Major ID, Magnet. If you have no idea what it does, it pulls items towards you in an 8 block radius. Gravity is seen to be "extremely dense" and its name seems to imply it has its own gravitational pull. Vindicator has no lore but it has the same Major ID and effects so I'm going to do some calculations on it to.

    Before continuing, I'll need to set up some ground rules and things that need to be used to calculate what I'm after.
    • Real life equivalents to each item. This can be used to find the volume of each item by using the real life equivalent's mass and steel's density.
    • g=G(m/r^2), this equation will be used to find the mass of each item, after rearranging it some terms of course.
    • d=.5at^2, this equation will be used to find the acceleration of each object due to the items gravity.
    • V=(4/3)(πr^3), the equation for the volume of a sphere will help us get a workable radius to do the mass calculations with.
    • Density=m/V, this one is for fun to find the density of each object
    First step is finding real life equivalents and Gravity should be pretty obvious, plate armor but the chest piece. I found numbers saying the mass of the chest piece ranged from 4-11 kg and I went with the average of 7.5 kg as a median and to make the process of calculating easier. For Vindicator, this one is a little tricky as it could either be a bracer, a bracelet, or a vambrace. To put it simple, I though vambrace was best as it allowed me to use the same steel density, I could find mass info a lot more quicker on it, and it seemed more likely even though it is described as a bracelet. The mass of the vambrace turns out to be about 1.11 kg and now the volumes of each can be calculated.

    Now, you may be wondering how can we calculated the volume of an inventory item and a chestplate that is basically 2 dimensional? That is were the above paragraph comes in to help along with the equation for density and the density of steel. Steel has a density of 8010 kg/m^3 and doing some math, Gravity has a volume of 9.3168x10^-4 m^3 and Vindicator was 1.379x10^-4 m^3. With the volume, it can be used with the equation for the volume of a sphere to get a workable radius to find the mass of these items later. Each items equivalent radius turns out to be 0.032 m for Vindicator and 0.0606 m for Gravity respectively.

    Before the mass can be calculated, the acceleration has to be found. The process behind this is made simpler by the fact that the Major ID tells us a radius of affect and thus a distance that can be used. Now the other factor that has to be found is time. The Major ID drags items here in 3 1 second bursts meaning it takes 3 seconds for an item to travel 8 blocks. Now all that is needed is to put it into the kinematic equation d=.5at^2 and the acceleration turns out to be roughly 1.78 m/s^2 of acceleration or about the gravity of the moon.

    The last step can begin by calculating each items mass with g=G(m/r^2). Big G is the gravitational constant 6.67408x10^-11 m^3/kg/s^2, little g is the acceleration of gravity, m is mass in kg, and r is the radius in m. By reworking the equation to make it equal m, the masses turn out to be 27310430.8 kg for Vindicator and 97820823.24 kg for Gravity. Not impressed enough, well using the volume and their calculated mass can give us their density and the item lore of Gravity is not joking. Gravity has a density of 1.05x10^11 kg/m^3 while Vindicator has a density of 1.98x10^11 kg/m^3. Not only does Gravity have a mass double than that of the Titanic, it's denser than a White Dwarf and is approaching the density of Neutronium, which makes you wonder what idiot was able to make a chestplate and bracelet that weigh more than multiple Eiffel Towers?

    That should be all I think but this is making me wonder what craziness Collapse and Singularity are hiding...
     
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  2. Ellphant

    Ellphant [they/them] your friendly neighborhood birb HERO

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    ...I was just trying to appreciate my reward for killing Takan
     
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  3. dr_carlos

    dr_carlos Morph Gang!

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    Imagine spending like 20 minutes trying to kill Takan but instead of getting a good ring, you get like 2 Titanics squashed into Neutron Stars.
    Bruh
     
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  4. Mac N Cheese Man

    Mac N Cheese Man First Official Member Of The Mac N Cheese Club

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    Isn’t it a bracelet
     
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    dr_carlos Morph Gang!

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    Yeah it's a bracelet my bad
    Haven't played early-game in a while
     
  6. Justice

    Justice Obliterator of Grooks VIP+

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    Just remember kids, if you see a guy walking around with either Gravity or Vindicator, they are likely more powerful than Bob, Siegfried, All the Twains, Bakaal, and all the Wynncraft staff combined...
     
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    dr_carlos Morph Gang!

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    You mean Salted
     
  8. Justice

    Justice Obliterator of Grooks VIP+

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    Potentially... Salted may have created these items as we may have not understood the Gravity of them...
     
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    dr_carlos Morph Gang!

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    So almost as powerful as Salted.
     
  10. Justice

    Justice Obliterator of Grooks VIP+

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    We will never know...
     
  11. Greedus

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    'not sure you understand the gravity of the situation'
     
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    starx280 The boy who cried lunar VIP

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    Man explains sht better than my physics teacher
     
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  13. EpsilonDown

    EpsilonDown Vibing to TNA theme

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    I think the major id said "Magnet" So we better apply electromagnetics.

    Assuming the Items are around ~30kg (which is around the weight of normal steel chestplate, found on wiki), we need around 53.4kg*m/s^2 = 53.4N force to achieve 1.78m/s^2 acceleration.
    (In reality it's more complicated, since force and acceleration increases as you get closer, but lets not think about that)

    With Coulomb's law, we get F = kQ1Q2/r^2

    r is radius, maximium of 8 blocks.
    k is constant, around 9 * 10^9
    Q1 and Q2 is charge of target and vindicator. Here's the tricky part.

    Solving it, we get Q1Q2 > 379.7 * 10^-9. So, how do we know their charge?
    Let's say Q1 = target. Let's say it has static electricity since it has been rubbed on floor. Normal static electricity is around 10^-6~10^-9C. Since we have strange items in wynn, We'll use 10^-9C.
    Then Q2, which is vindicator, should have at least around 380C of charge. In comparison, Huge lightning in real world can get up to 350C.
    So... we're carrying lightning storms. (But it won't happen, since for that charge has to move, but charges will be contained in vindicator)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb for reference, I'm not expert so anyone fix
     
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    fishcute fish CHAMPION Builder

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    That's electricity, not magnetism. And most materials aren't magnetic so id whats up with this
     
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    EpsilonDown Vibing to TNA theme

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    Yeah but at least electricity is related to magnetism.Also electromagic exists in wynncraft, so it may work out somehow.

    However Gravity chestplate actually uses gravity, I suppose.
     
  16. Justice

    Justice Obliterator of Grooks VIP+

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    If we were to find the electric field force, we'd have to use E=k(Q/r^2) or E=F/q but the problem is that Magnet can drag any item on the ground as long as it was dropped from a mob you killed meaning it can't be magnetism or electromagnetism unless maybe the charge is great enough to drag items considered neutral in charge which would be scary as well.
     
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    fishcute fish CHAMPION Builder

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    The van der waals force uses an equation:
    Fvw(r)=-(A×R1×R2)/((R1+R2)6r^2)
    So we could figure out what charge would be necessary, but still that's not magnetism.
     
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    Jbip yea QA GM

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    Is this the result of the infamous content drought?
     
  19. Justice

    Justice Obliterator of Grooks VIP+

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    I don't know but it is still fun to just to just see what would happen if any the items or actions in games came into existence. I might do Collapse and Singularity based on the fact that one can destroy matter while the other has a high enough density to have gravitational pull, with both made from something insanely dense like Gravity(oooh neutronium can be use...).
     
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