Warrior/Knight Help Collapse Build! (TCC and Dungeon runs)

Hi! Im looking for builds that are good for Collapse in Tcc and also a build for Collapse for dungeons and such! I found a collapse earlier and its a really good % one and I wanna use it so if anyone can help me please with builds then I will make sure Santa gives you presents for Christmas! :D

 

*cracks knuckle* Ah, yes, my time has come...

Now, I shall forewarn that I haven't done Canyon Colossus before with any of my Collapse builds but I can give my take on some of them. If people have better suggestions or gripes that could improve it, I am all ears.

Now, first I am going to mention is a Tierstack Collapse w/ Scarlet Veil. If you want a build that can basically do great crowd control, this is definitely the route to go. It's pretty fun to use and can wipe out entire groups of normal Silent Expanse mobs in probably 3 seconds or less. The only real downside is that this build usually is hard to get any hp sustain into it but you can kinda circumvent that with RotS and OKR. I'll give some examples. The second one are Spell Collapse builds which are still good with the right gear. A note worth mentioning is that you could probably find a way to use Vaward over Equalizer, I just prefer Equalizer over Vaward since Equalizer gives skill points, spell and main attack damage, ls, and mr though not as much health.

Non Mythic Tierstack Collapse: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0u30ZS0kT0VN0Jf0Xr0K40OH0QT1z0+0Z1X0y1g00001001iO
This is the one I personally use a lot and for everyday use, it works like a charm. You kinda gotta watch out on the health since you have practically no hpr or ls to help regain health but to counteract this a little bit you can use RotS as a health sustain. Also you don't need mythic boots for it.

Mythic Boots Tierstack Collapse: https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_0u...K40uH0QT230e0e1a0t1g010000C10036C10036C1006CC
This one is not by me but is by Diamond_Laser but I would say it is still really good. It doesn't have as much damage as the one above but it comes with the nice benefit of Greed from OKR. It does require a crafted ring to give the attack speed and stealing but if you can get it, this build I think can do really well. Another benefit if you wanted it is that you can use RotS with this build as well though it probably isn't needed. The only real downside is that it requires Crusade Sabatons which is not cheap.

Non Mythic Spell Collapse: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0K70FT07W0Fx0Fx0K40OH0QT1G0e2B1E1D1g000010036C
This build isn't too bad since it is a pretty tanky build on par with the tankiness of Morph. It has its own hpr and ls so you don't have to rely on potions as much and if you need an offhand weapon to switch to for more hpr and ls, Undying as a pretty good item to use.

Mythic Boots Spell Collapse #1: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0K70FT0Qx0nu0Xr0E10Ji0QT1G111f0y0e1g000010036C
If you want a lot of damage for a Spell Collapse, this one does it well. Like the one above, it also has ls and hpr so you don't have to rely on potions as much. Same as the other, it can also use Undying. The biggest downside to it is that it isn't as defensible as the above one or the next one below but it makes it up in damage. Also, this one is a more viable build with mythic boots since it uses Stardew and Stardew's are fairly cheap for mythic boots.

Mythic Boots Collapse #2: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0K70FT0QW0K20Fx0K40OM0QT1z0e1h1d0e1g000010036C
If you happen to have a lot of le on hand and enough to buy a pair of Crusade Sabatons, I'd recommend this above the others in terms of spell. It allows you to be a tank against a lot of enemies for a spell build but it also has its own ls and hpr to regenerate health and if you need it, it could use Undying and RotS to help you regen health faster. Its damage is as much as the Non Mythic Spell as well.

 

Scarlet veil is a must imo even outside of tierstack, it won’t increase your single target dps but your AoE damage will skyrocket

 

It would work with a heavy melee build but it doesn't work with spell builds since Explosive Impact only works off of your basic melee attack.

Edit: Unless you mean outside of Collapse then yes, it would work well for items like Apocalypse.

 

Collapse is a melee weapon. It isn't a spell weapon. Scarlet veil literally *at worst* doubles your dps for each mob you fight

 

Yeah, Collapse isn't primarily meant to be a spell though it can be decent at a spell build, that's kinda why the mana steal is there. Yes, it could or can be outdone in a spell build by something like Idol or Convergence but it is still possible to have a decent spell build with Collapse. Collapse is a weird hybrid were it could be either a spell or melee weapon like Singularity or Freedom. Is it meant to be as specified to do spell or melee? Not really since you could argue that Alkatraz is a better melee weapon and Idol is a better spell weapon but Alka can't easily be spell and Idol can't easily be a melee while Collapse kinda be one or the other.

As for Scarlet Veil, I think it would depend on the build but yes, if you happen to have a melee build with a ton of exploding, try to fit it on.

 

man can we stop shidding on spell singu and spell collapse pls ty

 

its like at best 80% melee 20% spell useful

 

Okie dokie, I think this is the last time I'm going to message about this since this thread was originally meant to give Collapse builds and not turn into a battlefield over if Collapse is a spell spear or not.

I would say it is more closer to 60% melee and 40% spell. It has the main attack neutral damage % and strength for the melee side and the mana steal for the spell side. It has the most mana steal of any spear except one with just as much mana steal as Collapse and that spear is of unique/yellow rarity and is not as powerful as Collapse. This spear is not specifically a spell spear nor is it specifically a melee spear, it is a spear that can be used as one or the other however you choose. Now, to give some examples, here are some builds comparing a tierstack Collapse with a tierstack Alkatraz and a spell Collapse with a spell Convergence.

Spell Collapse: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0K70FT0tv0Fx0Fx0K40OH0QT1G0e2B1b0e1g000010036C
Spell Convergence: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0u40L30JL0tv0K00TQ0Jn0og0ux0o0o141g+T1g00001006CO

Here, the builds are pretty evenly match with Convergence having the advantage slightly. Their ehp, mr+ms, hpr+ls, mana costs, and damage are within throwing distance of each other. I would give the better build to be Convergence but not by a whole lot. Spell Collapse is indeed a viable option and is definitely cheaper to get than Convergence.

Tierstack Collapse: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0u30ZS0kT0VN0Jf0Xr0K40OH0QT1z0+0Z1X0y1g00001001iO
Tierstack Alkatraz: https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/index.html#4_0K60ZS0kT05M0BK0BK0K40uH0QJ2M-s-s1R0w1g00000

Now at first glance I would say that Alkatraz would be better by a good margin but there are a few key differences that you can give Collapse. Collapse has powder slots and thus can be given fire powders to access courage to boost its damage for a short while while Alkatraz has no powder slots and Collapse with Scarlet Veil gives it probably a bigger edge over Alkatraz if in groups. You could make a build were Alkatraz can use Scarlet Veil like Collapse does since Alkatraz has some exploding but it might risk loosing damage and ehp though I haven't investigated that to say for certain. Since the builds are used by warriors, you can also war scream to gain more damage and when you combine courage+war scream on Collapse compared with war scream on Alkatraz, the damages are fairly evenly match. Although you can't use courage often, you still have Explosive Impact that can still pretty much at least double the damage if another enemy is nearby. Here, though the circumstances for Collapse fluctuates more than Alkatraz while fighting, I would say they are pretty close to being evenly match here.

Alrighty, now back to the original discussion. I did make a build that I would recommend as well for a spell Collapse. It's damage is pretty decent and its ehp isn't too bad for a spell build.

Non Mythic Spell Collapse: https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0Au0K70FT0tv0Fx0Fx0K40OH0QT1G0e2B1b0e1g000010036C