Info Item Team Thread - Item/ingredient/major Id Changes, Updates & More

Great to see this step taken towards fixing tomes.

 

If this is to be the case, I think that guild tomes should also be made more available to players who don’t typically do Wars.

I’ve literally done my weekly reward countless times, and have exactly 0 tomes to show for it.

 

About the tomes: considering the damage bloat one would expect tomes to be changed to provide less damage in favor of more skill points, enabling more builds to be possible and current builds to rely less on boring stat-slap jewelry. I wonder what is the reasoning behind doing the opposite?

 

i think raid sp tomes(includes +3 TNA ones and so on) have a role to replace with guild sp tomes
i mean we can use the raid tomes compensate for a build instead of the guild tomes in term of sp

this causes we will have to join a guild to get sp for our builds if the update comes out

so i'm sure the update is not absolutely good for all wynncraft players

 

Honestly it's not that hard to get a guild tome. If you spend like 3hrs to cycle FFAs with someone at the end of season you can get enough for a tome. That's what I did.

 

i cannot believe assimilators tome is mandatory now

 

Spending 3 hours to get something that you could previously get in 5 minutes from any raid isn't a fair tradeoff. Guild Tomes should be more accessable to people who don't prefer waiting to get a chance at getting a tome for their build. And for all they know, they could get the WRONG tome, meaning that they'd have to grind for even longer, whereas in raids, it can take under an hour to get what you need.

I think the roles of Mythic and Fabled/Legendary Tomes should be swapped, meaning that Mythic tomes give skillpoints, and no damage, and the other two give damage, but no skillpoints.
This way, it balances out the rarity of Guild Tomes, so you aren't required to join a guild to get the extra skillpoints you're looking for.

 

Generally I support this change, but please consider two things:

• Guild tomes are now even more important. Just so many builds currently are only a few sp off, most don't need guild tomes. Now people need a guild tome for those few sp. I hope they are being made more accessible.
• Please change fabled tomes or mythic tomes so mythic tomes aren't a huge straight upgrade after this update. Same damage for both but some ID for mythic tomes maybe (like base 10% elemental damage or something, not too broken but worth grinding for)?

 

This fucking sucks

 

It's worth noting that the original plan of tomes, as IMs were informed and required to make them, had the power disparity between Mythics and Fableds even higher as an intentional part of the design. This hasn't changed and there's really nothing we can do about it. The rarity of guild tomes is part of why they stayed having skill points, though as I've mentioned on the discord and on the front page of the thread we're not just ignoring how difficult they are to get and are discussing about it. Whether change happens soon or at all is yet to be seen though. In no small part the change was done to combat SP creep..

 

I don't see how the tomes were "broken".

 

You should make weapon tomes reduce spell costs now then

 

Thank you felixtape

 

What a based change hehehehehe >:) No but for real its good d(^^

 

idol incident 2
SP tomes are fine, the problem is ele dmg% and the stupid "add x% damage to mobs" stats on tomes
the SP is fine, it just lets some builds fudge some SP here and there, the latter is the biggest contributor of stat bloat in the game lol

 

Why would you do this...

There is no point to doing this, as most players don't even use mythic tomes, and instead use cosmic or elemental SP tomes. The dmg increase on the tomes are not even that good as the Spell damage ones give bigger increase of DPS for a cheaper price.

Nice job making a update nobody wanted.

 

Please also write why you changed something in addition to the fact that you are changing it. People are upset, as with any change, and part of the reason theyre upset is that there isnt an explicit reason stated

 

Losing a few skill points stops you from coming back to an entirely new update? Yeah ok pal

 

Every build I had for every class was using multiple sp tomes, so yea coming back to everything I had not working together might stop me from coming back

edit: and I'm saying "might" here cuz I obviously don't know what the rest of the update is going to be about, maybe it'll be fire enough for me to power through this change, but we'll see.

 

I've played wynn for 9 and a half years. Almost every major update has completely destroyed most builds way more significantly than just losing some sp tomes. (death of cancer/centipede apoc tierstack, hive weapons, str/dex changes, etc etc). Part of the reason i love wynn so damn much is the incredibly robust class building. Every death brings new build possibilities into existence, and experimenting and trying to find new metas is like the best part of wynn and its community. We've had the most stale meta in terms of items for almost over a year (with some new items, but only a few item changes like the recent healing eff ones) and stale ability tree meta for over 8 months. Having something to shake things up is good. (But mythic weapon tomes have long since been better than fabled, so this doesnt actually change that much for active players).

Worst case scenario--NO other item changes happen--i am POSITIVE that any number of people in the wynn discord could help you find quick solutions to make your builds usable again without much change.