Shaman/Skyseer Help Lategame Summoner Build for Hive, LI, etc no mythics

After seeing someone annihilate The Eye with their gatling gun puppets in my lobby, I figured I'd try out Shaman again. All I want is a decent build that can be used to solo Hive, LI, EO and so on.

Not much to say here other than that I want to play Summoner and I can't really afford any mythics currently, anything else (Hive, LI, etc) is fair game. If you use master hive, keep in mind that I haven't completed it on this char yet so it'd be greatly appreciated if you could let me know what could be used as an alternative in that case. I'm still leveling but feel free to put 104 / 105 gear if you want. The char is at 101 right now.

I have no idea what's meta on Shaman at all, so if someone could let me know what the most commonly used non mythic relics are, that'd be great. I've seen Overdrive being used here and there so I assume it's still decent even at lvl 100+.

I've searched around the forum for a bit but wasn't able to find what I was looking for, hence I'm making this post.

Any build posted here is greatly appreciated, and perhaps it'll help people other than myself as well.

 

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/build...Q0o0o0y0o1Q1g000010000C0z0z0+0+0+0+0--plNwru0
WynnBuilder build:
> Morph-Stardust
> Wanderlust
> Dark Shroud
> Epilogue
> Photon
> Prism
> Succession
> Contrast
> Overdrive [t6]

use Summa instead of Photon if you have no tomes
the ehp isn't the highest but it has high walkspeed to dodge stuff

you can change the tree to get Regeneration if you want to

 

Thank you! I will try this out and see how I do with it. Since I haven't done hive on this char yet, I just substituted contrast with diamond fusion necklace and used moon pool circlet instead of photon. Also, wouldn't it be better to put a6 on overdrive since this build has significantly higher air damage % than thunder?

 

elemental damage% has very small effect on Overdrive
with a6, you get slighty more dmg on aura while t6 has like +3 dmg over puppets
but those differences are minimal enough to be ignored, so as long as you use some kind of tier 6 powder it'll be good

 

Can you explain how the damage is calculated, or did you just look at what wynnbuilder says? I do trust that what you're saying is correct, but I don't get how it works at all.
I tried the build at the hive and I'm very pleased with it, I ran through the entire thing in like 15 minutes pretty much without potions, even easier than with tstack alka which is crazy to me.

 

from what i've heard, it's because Overdrive has low base damage. elemental damage%(like Fire Damage % and etc) affects the weapon's base dmg. if you have 50% water damage% and your weapon has 1000 water damage for its base, it means you get 1000 + 1000 × 0.5(50%) = 1500 for base dmg with the boost. Overdrive has low base dmg, which means not much adds up to it.

i'm not 100% certain for this info, but spell% and raw spell works similiarly so i believe it goes the same way for elemental damage % as well

 

Of course all damage amp stats scale with your weapon's base damage, but does that not include added powders? If so, air powder should be pretty much useless. But if it does actually work for powders, air should just result in straight up more damage, logically. But yeah, at the end of the day, the difference will be just be negligeable either way, so no reason to worry about it I guess.

Something else I wanted to ask about; what reliks are good options for late game, other than overdrive? Is overdrive just the best? Speaking only of non mythics, of course.

 

yes it includes powders. though, like you said, the dmg difference is small that you don't really need to pay attention to it in this case.
also, even if you have more (elemental) damage %, it doesn't always mean you get more from that said elemental type's powders, spells have different conversions and what not that i don't exactly know yet(still a good chance it will though)
the easy way to think about this is just to input things and see how they do, like you putting a6 because you have more air dmg%

for nonmythic reliks, Panic Zealot, Royal Hydrangea, Marionette, The Watched, Tachypsychia are the ones that i used/saw people using them. there could me others i missed
if you want to melee, Lumina is the best option for nonmythic