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How Greg can kill EVERY character [broken power scaling?]

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  1. General Skien

    General Skien is the best character in Wynncraft. HERO

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    HELLO CHAT,

    I've come across a lot of possible shitposts / shittheories in the past which I considered making, but frankly I had better things to do. That said, this topic made me mald.

    Basically, the issue started when discussing The Nameless Anomaly in Wynntheory, and its abilities. It was brought up that the TNA had the power to create void holes... literally anywhere. At face value this may seem fine to a lot of people, but it's actually kind of the most broken ability one could ever have in wynncraft. Before I move forward I'll be backing this up with some sources, however if someone else from ct comes in and says these are false, then good (because greg having these powers is absurd and hilariously bad).

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    Enjoy Light theme btw.

    Anyways now before I explain how this ability allows TNA to win against every character in wynncraft, let me explain why this ability is super broken. The ability to open void holes anywhere means that one can open a portal from any place one wants, to any other place one wants. So for instance, lets say that I am greg and I want to go and visit the statue of Seigfried and pay my respects to a great hero (slander). All I'd need to do is open a void hole from my cool house in the void or wherever I am (doesn't matter, since I can open a portal anywhere), right to the statue. Then I could go out and scare literally everyone when I say:

    "Hello Chat."
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    But lets say some random guards from Cinfras don't like me (greg) being here pressing F for Seigfried. They walk up and ready their magic spells to attack me, and I have a few options. One I could just create a void hole beneath them which drops them into the void, where they will be trapped forever, but that's kinda boring. Instead of doing this, I could also open void holes with one side inside their heads, and the other in the depths of molten heights, causing lava to melt their brains from the inside out.

    My (Greg's) options are made even more absurd if we assume that wynncraft has an infinite number of physical realms, as infinite possibilities means infinite possible torture methods. I could send them to a reality where there is no air, giant monsters, the Nether, gravity waves to tear them apart, a curse that turns them into confetti, angry potatos that feed on villager flesh, the options are literally infinte.

    Now see, this power is really broken, because in effect its only limits are ones imagination, and there's a reason why other characters don't get to do this. Imagine if Orphion could do this? Why fight the war of the realms in physical realms if you could just teleport your strongest fighters directly into dern from all the realms you'd have access to (so infinite worlds to pull your army from). I mean Orphion wouldn't even need to establish an organized religion, they could just think to use realms where people already beleive in a religion which roughly or exactly equals that of the elves in the normal realm. I'd quickly like to mention that Bak'al does sort of do this in RoL5 when they just tp into RoL, and since TNA seems to be attatched to dern in some ways (haven't done enough research before I started malding, so don't trust this), maybe that's how Bak'al got there. But I mean if dern can do this, they wouldn't really need Bak'al at all, since they'd have infinite options to pick from for their champion (imagine picking the virgin bak'al over chad naragarath).

    All of this said, orphion does not have the power to create void holes just anywhere they want, and I'm assuming based on other things said in wynntheory discussion that Dern doesn't normally either (dispite bak'al warping into the backrooms). So if the powers of light and dark, with all their absurd abilities, can't use this power... why can Greg?

    With all that established let's move on to how Greg would kill everyone, since that's probably all anyone wants to see anyways.

    THE LIST:

    I don't remember a new list beng made, so here is an old power scaling list from like 1.19, which I'll add some additional characters to (I'm not ranking anyone because that would take forever, just read this as a list of whose gonna die today).

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    Additions:
    Lari
    Ava (fan appeal)
    Goku (asked)
    Dern

    POWER USAGE 1%

    The following are characters that it would take Greg (TNA) 1% or less of their power to kill, via the lava to the head method. If a character lacks the ability to defend their brain being melted from the inside out they just lose here. This method does not use magic, so it won't kill those who might resist just burning from the inside.

    Kills:
    Dr. Herbert von Legendary
    Marius Twain
    Orange Wybel
    Ava

    Probable Kills:
    Psychomancer
    Genesis-Revorse
    Lari

    Logic: While some of these characters have very good power scaling and hax at their disposal, the ability to place a void hole anywhere bypasses magical protection. Greg isn't shooting a fire ball at them, they just create a void hole inside their head which leads to lava, thus all the normal humans can die about it. I also included wybel, because while they are very strong, I would assume their brain matter to not be, considering their body was able to be ripped apart and augmented by dr. legendary (if you disagree feel free to move them up to a later catagory). The probable kills Psychomancer and Genesis-Revorse would probably die to this as this bypasses normal defenses entirely, and just relies on the strenght of their brains. That said, they are from the hive, so maybe they've got jank to save them (genesis might not have a brain lol). Lari might be able to live here, but I'm not really certain, since in many ways they are comparable to marius: big magic, but magic means nothing since Greg just bypasses all defenses. Maybe they could live the lava melt but that's up to you.

    POWER USAGE 5%

    Ok so now is where Greg starts trying a little bit. Instead of dumping lava into their heads, Greg drops these characters into the void, where they are trapped forever, and eventually lose due to starving / running out of power and rescources.

    Kills:
    Psychomancer
    Genesis-Revorse
    Oceanic Judge
    Solar Vanguard
    Corruptor of Worlds
    Orange Wybel
    Lari

    Possible Kills:
    Bob (if we are talking about their physical body, and not their spirit / reincarnation jank)
    Amadel
    Bak'al (assuming RoL5 wasn't their own doing / Dern doesn't save them lol)

    All the confirmed kill characters require energy / sustenance of some kind in order to live and lack the ability to just leave the void somehow. Bob may not be killable via these means as if they are a spirit, they can feasibly last forever in the void. Amadel might be able to cheat with the crystals (possibly even leave the void depending on their power scaling), but its unclear since they kinda just exist to be killed in game lol. Bak'al was brought into RoL during the questline, so maybe they could get cheated out by someone else, but yea bak'al would definitely die about it in the void alone >:)

    POWER USAGE 10%

    Greg is starting to Morb! All those spirit charcters who are just floating around ignoring this are now gonna die, as Greg can open a void portal to Death's Realm, preventing their cheap living-dead state. You could argue that death would just let them leave, however the requirement to go back is legit just:

    • Death: IF YOU WISH TO RETURN TO LIFE, AND I CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE DO, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BEAT THAT WHICH SENT YOU HERE.
    So that said, Greg could just tp them back to death's realm over and over. Further point is that Greg could send them to Charon instead, which would definitely be the end of them, since Charon is not nearly as cool as Death with the whole die about it thing.

    Kills:
    Gale
    Bob
    Theorick

    I kinda needed a separate way to kill spirits since they don't really die to anything off the top of my head, that said if there is something I forgor, Greg could just tp them to that, killing them.

    POWER USAGE 25%

    So now we get to the tryharding characters who have like actually good defenses against Greg. Greg (now morbing, and beginning to mald), teleports objects related to or afflicted with the power of a force of influence inside the bodies of these characters, which either kills them, or forces them into a state where they can't do anything and eventually die anyways. Either that, or they are teleported to a place heavily affected by a force.

    Kills:
    The Eye (teleport to the nether, to RoL, inside white meteor perhaps, take your pick)
    Qira (Teleport inside a giant area of cosmic magic for a very long time / place cosmic rocks inside their head until they die / brain die)
    Orphion (send them to dern lol, put a parasite inside them again, teleport inside a giant area of cosmic magic for a very long time / place cosmic rocks inside their head until they die)
    Dern (Send them to RoL, send them to Nether, teleport inside a giant area of cosmic magic for a very long time / place cosmic rocks inside their head until they die)
    Garaheth (put the ice inside them and they die lol literally just D&D quest)

    Most of these cases are using an opposite force to bonk something, since light and dark don't want to touch at all. Corruption also works probably, but the real big one is cosmic magic, since in general it seems to be the anti-forces of influence thing to use. It even hurts Qira, which is a rare sight indeed considering their absurd plot armor "I would prefer to keep my mind intact, thank you. I am well aware of the effects of cosmic magic- a sorceress of my caliber would be remiss not to stay knowledgeable." (Lore/Story - Hive Drabbles: Tasogare Oyaji | Page 8 | Wynncraft Forums).

    POWER USAGE 50%

    Greg be malding now, because all that's left are the super cheapies. Death doesn't really have established reasons, and Goku is Goku, so to kill them will take special effort. Considering that charon is roughly comparable to death, except weaker, we can assume that whatever could kill them scaled up could kill death. Death can't just be sent to the void, as they the only other character aside from Gregg which actually can possibly just leave (seeing has how spirits are able to travel between realms to reach death). So in order to kill death I prepose sending 10000 buff revived General Grakkens after them, as Grakken can kinda just murder Charon easily, 10000 should work. The same logic can be used against Goku infact, as 1 morbillion spongebobs can be pulled from various realms to clober the super sayan god (I don't watch dragon ball get trolled loor experts).

    Kills:

    Everyone


    But wait I think I missed someone...

    POWER USAGE 100%

    Greg, having killed literally everyone ever in all the realms because you read this shittheory, now turns towards their final victim. YOU! Greg creates a void hole inside your bank acount, stealing all you money, then drops a large rock on top of your head (do not look up, please stand still so they do not miss). After killing you Greg is finally at peace, having killed not just 50%, but 100% of all living things, and what did it cost them?

    Nothing, their power scaling is super dumby.

    Okay bye, I'mma go back to Aseprite.
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    Lex! :] CT Manager QA GM CMD CHAMPION

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    General Skien is the best character in Wynncraft. HERO

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    Sar The Fire Archer CHAMPION

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    The Nameless being able to open void holes does not mean it can create a void hole inside of someone and kill them instantly. It cannot. uh. Voidfrag people. It just has the unique ability to produce holes that allow entities and influences to pass from The Plane of Influence, through the Void, and to the Plane of Physicality.

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    DaCorruption Serves Dern.

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    Here’s the thing - now what? Death is annoyed that he died, and since he makes the rules, he lets literally everyone dead fight Greg at the exact same time. Yeah, he can just teleport them back to Death’s Realm, but Death can just let them out again. Greg is not immortal, while a variety of the powerful beings in Wynn are.
     
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    Violet Knight Aspiring front-end developer HERO

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    It gets even more broken. Sure, he could open a void hole on the inside of your skull to flood it with lava, but that's a lot of effort. A void hole, like any hole, is an absence of something, or a thing that separates two things. It's much easier to just create a hole right where your head meets your neck and whoops, off it pops. Or he could separate your brain stem from your nervous system. Or - if he's really in a decimating mood - he could open a great many microscopic voidholes between every molecule, or atom, or even subatomic particle that makes up your puny body. I'm no nuclear physicist, but I'm guessing you'd either turn into a gas, a fine dust, or an explosion that also levels any friend standing next to you.

    But it can potentially get even more ridiculous. He can create a void hole to another physical dimension, yes? So imagine a dimension where time runs backwards compared to ours, or the one he just left. Entering such a dimension, waiting some amount of time (the ratio of timeflow between realm A and B may not be 1:1) and then returning effectively lets you travel through time. Greg isn't able to just destroy the physical multiverse, but the temporal multiverse as well - he has the power to eradicate entire timelines. He can erase your very existence, scatter you to the winds of momentary endlessness, without a chance in hell to ever return. After all, all memories of you and every action needed to conceive you have been erased as well.

    And yet it doesn't even stop there! It gets a little wacky here, a tad theoretical or poetic if you will. This idea is based on another anomaly, namely SCP-3930, which I highly recommend you check out. What is the void exactly? It is the space between dimensions, and supposedly, it is empty. The area you explore during One Thousand Meters Under isn't actually the void: it is merely bits of our realm that fell into it. The void itself is nothing. The absence of a thing. Put differently: it is a thing that's not a thing. That is why the term "void hole" is essentially double. The void is the hole, and the hole is the void. A void hole is just a tiny bit of void that, as it's a tear in space-time, transports you to a different part of the world. But the important thing is that Greg can basically create areas of void, areas where there is nothing. And if there is nothing, it does not exist. Greg can summon non-existence. He doesn't need to fill your cranium with molten rock or drop a stone on it to kill you. He just needs to create a void hole. Right where you are. A void hole that doesn't lead anywhere, barring the vast eternal nothingness itself.

    Is that where it ends, though? Does the silly speech bubble skeleton possess any more tricks up his sleeve? He can probably also travel to the omniverse - that's the sphere containing every multiverse, each of which has different physical and magical laws. If he takes his time to do it, he could easily destroy all of creation and more.
    If he takes his time.
    But does he need to?

    Perhaps, reality is deterministic. Perhaps not. Perhaps timelines can be changed on the fly, while you're in them. Being able to rewrite past, present and future. If it were deterministic, then every action is "planned" in advance, being a strict effect of a cause that has already taken place. But it might not be so. And if it is not, who's to say you couldn't at least attempt to make annihilating every fraction of every instant a little more... efficient?
    Here's what Greg would do: travel a small amount of time into the past. Preferably a hour or so, perhaps more to be comfortable. Bone man should encounter his past self. He could now team up with himself to bring destruction to the multiverse. And if he decides to wait an hour with his buddy, and his most recent self travels back an hour yet again, there should then be three Gregs at the same time. Rinse and repeat until you've got hundreds if not thousands if not morbillions of selves, all from a different moment in your own timestream, at the same time in the world's timestream. You know, like in that Doctor Who episode with Matt Smith, David Tennant, John Hurt and near the end also Peter Capaldi playing the same silly goober. Just with less planet-saving in this example.

    And even then, his powers may be bigger. Ask yourself this: by what method places he his holes? Could he summon void holes through other void holes, creating a kind of cascade or tunnel? Can he make a hole appear in a moment not his own? Is he capable of making a void hole of unlimited size, from reality's birth to its last repitition? Is imagination really the limit, or does he surpass the need for even that?
    I think, if Greg would truly use all the powers that he has, he could end both life and death across all planes of being, across all of time, in less than an instant. I think, if he had his canonical powers, we wouldn't even be talking about him. He would have broken free and erased our universe. Or just every mention of him. Because maybe, just maybe, he dislikes using his powers. No one said Greg wasn't benevolent. The unprovable fact is simply that if he weren't, we would not be around to know. And if he were, Greg probably would not allow us.
    After all, showing their face is not something our god is known to do.
     
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