Out of date lore

I've seen a lot of discussion about out of date lore on the forums. What I'm interested in is what quests/secrets discoveries/dungeons/other things feature out of date lore and why said lore is out of date. I personally know little about the lore in this game so I can't put any here.

 

Ragni's Library, chapter 8:
"...when he reached the [Nivla Forest], he entered a mystical village suspended in the trees lit by hanging lamps..."
Nivla Village doesn't look like that anymore, now it's got regular houses.

 

Like 90% of that lore is out of date, to the extent that one section implies being bitten is how the corruption spreads:
Entering the cellar, he found his mother lying bleeding beside a recently stabbed creature. He went to her aid, knowing it would be in vain.
She simply nodded at him, they had made an agreement when Robert was 8 years old that if she ever became infected she wanted him to end her life, rather than endure the gruesome prolonged infection that had no cure.

Boss, that ain't this work.

 

I liked the old Nivla Village more :,(

 

Bob masters all 4 classes...

 

Actually no, thats accounted for in the lore.
Shamans at the time of bobs life aren't really a commonly accepted 'class' they were kinda seen as evil. That's why for example, Bobs mythic relic doesn't exist, instead you have "Ancient Runic Relik"

 

ok, checks out

 

Also isnt the reason bob was chosen over skylaar is cause skylaar is a shaman and bob isnt

 

Chosen on Skylaar?

 

whoops, lemme fix that

 

Most lore surrounding Corruption is out of date

 

Ok, so no, it's because he specifically used humans for his shaman practices.
Although he would be much more interesting if he turned to using humans after Bob replaced him.

 

how the corruption spreads is probably one of the most inconsistent things in wynncraft

in addition to the bob lore implying that corruption can spread like an infection, The Corrupted Village quest pretty much lays out corruption as a force that spreads by proximity to corruption spikes. Meanwhile, Studying the Corrupt, the quest that gives access to the Lost Sanctuary dungeon and takes place 5 levels before Corrupted Village, has a journal entry by Garoth where he literally says that being close to the corruption has nothing to do with how it spreads.
tl;dr corruption lore is wack :(

 

while i fully belive this is a total oversight of the devs, all 3 of these can be lore friendly even tho they appear to totally conflict each other, in that how the corruption spreads has never achally been confirmed in any factual way and may be able to spread in multiple ways which again we simply do not currently know nor does anyone in the world of wynncraft (to our knowledge right now), what this means is that all 3 peices of evidence we have are ether a charector writing down their perspective (which may be wrong as these events was tramatic for them) or was memories (again misremembering something is very common) so its easy enough for these to ether be exaggerated, misremembered or maybe even outright lies to get people to have sympathy, respect or something from other characters within the wynncraft world. even this though is ignoring my second point above, that maybe the corruption spreads in many ways, much like how viruses do irl (airborn, waterborn, injection (eg mosquitos)) which i feel is achally confirmed somewhat with how the corruption and the decay spread in wynn and gavel respectively, both are forces of darkness but wynn's meathod seems to cause spikes to form and rise up from the ground, while the decay seems to be at least seeded from the parasite or is somehow using the system the light uses to spread itself maybe idk, they defo seem to be 2 different mechaisms at play here which would match up nicely with why we have different accounts from different times are places (even within the same provice)

 

Tbh I would believe the guy from Corrupted village, looks like a normal scientist guy

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They are not. Decay is the effect of parasite (Dern), Corruption is created by Light and Darkness clashing (in Wynn's case, it got there from another world that was a past battlefield of the forces).

 

even if we assume this account to be 100% exact what happened (which it may not be) darkness may spread in multiple ways, we also cant 100% assume that just because he is a scientist he is defonetly correct, scientists get things wrong all the time, this is why IRL scentests often need to get their work peer reviewed by other scientists working with different equipment to make sure the results are both repeatable and reliable, all in all we still have the options that he is not 100% correct in his account or his account only details one method of spreading

"Decay is the effect of parasite (Dern)" Dern is the realm of darkness so if the parasite is from dern it is nearly certainly a force of darkness sent to infect the realm of light (which is exactly what its doing)
"Corruption is created by Light and Darkness clashing" again a force of darkness maybe not 100% aligned with darkness but heavily influenced by it, as we see in the discovery's in wynn the forces of corruption are often organised and somewhat lead by Bak'al who we 100% know is serving darkness, so at worst corruption is a seperate force that darkness has managed to use for its own purposes (via Bak'al) and realistically we can assume that corruption is a minimum a proxy force of darkness if not a direct force of darkness

of corse here as AmbassadorDazz has said, the lore for all of wynn has been written by many different people over many years and so its most likly just a total mess of differing opinions however i certainly dont see anywhere in the lore currently that directly opposes itself with some cleaver writing i think this can be explained and to be fair a story that has a lot of loose ends and things that seem to oppose each other that then gets wrapped up and explained at the end is often some of the best story writing that happens so yes i do believe this can be fixed without retcons and rewrites but more with clarifications and expansions, i certianly feel it would help if things was written / framed to make it more clear that its from the perspective of a certain character over as fact as what it feels right now, of corse tho retcons and rewrites are the easy way to fix it and i would certianly rather more content to come out but with the occasional retcon / rewrite over the painstaking work of working out of story that fits the years of chatoic mess that has likly happened as this server has expanded throughout the years while trying to fit within all the restraints MC imposes via new updates (and backwards compatabily) and even the ELUA changes ect

 

just as much as by Light

Bak'al is not the leader of the Corruption, he is merely an intelligent corrupted. Corruption itself has no mind and thus cannot serve someone. If aliens enslaved a human (let's say president of the USA) and used them for their plans, would that mean the whole humanity serves them? No, of course not.

 

theretically yes, but we dont really see any evidence of this, hence why i said "maybe not 100% aligned with darkness but heavily influenced by it" as based on what we see in the world corruption is defoently more on darkness than lights side in this, again something the lore simply doesnt cover

you are correct in saying this and yes Bak'al does not lead the corruption as it is by nature a force of chaos (maybe why it seems to serve darkness so much more than light as its more fighting the order of the humans that for darkness but the end result is the same for now) but Bak'al does serve darkness (seen in the silent expanses ultimate discovery) and Bak'al does organise the corruptions forces in order to make them way stronger, while i can agree that based on the current lore it seems unlikely that both the corruption and decay are both direct forces of darkness, they are however currently aligned with and fighting for darkness's aims so at least for now can be somewhat bundled together as one group

one last thing to note

while i got your meaning here, the result doesn't work out for many reasons, firstly it simply don't work like that the US president still needs to get alot of what he/she wants approve by congress or the house of republicans (or both idk too much about us politics) so for that to work you will need to assume that all the people in these are enslaved by the aliens and then yes by and large you will call that the US is enslaved by the aliens assuming no civil war breaks out, exacly like how when wars breaks out you say and see in the news that country1 has declared war on country2 but ofc not everyone in country1 agrees with this and often protect it but as ive already said nearly everyone just bundles everyone together as a country1 vs country2 thing (i will say this isnt a great explanation but with current events going on i want to make this as little relateable to anything as possible to not get bogged down in politics even tho a lot of this thread is somewhat relating to the politics of the wynn factions and their links, desires (even just instinctual ones) and how they spread their influence)
going back to the original comment ofc not every character in the wynn world does fit within their respective faction (Axelus being a prime example) and not every action that the sub-factions within each large group takes being beneficial to the larger group (sometimes even directly bad for it) but largely i think we can say that darkness larly has both the decay and corruption on its side even if its not a full blown pact /agreement, likewise we can say the gavelien villigers, wynnic humans, fuma, elfs and light are on the other side in this current war (i dont really know how the corkan humans are affiliated (seem to more want diplomatic recognition over helping militarily) and im 99% sure the dogans and drawfs are currently unaffiliated in the corruption and decay wars likly due to the wars not affecting the molten heights due to the parasite (decay) being unable to pass the majic barrier of the canion of the lost we see in the "The Great Barrier" secret discovery)

 

"it" does not serve. Bak'al does. Corruption has no mind, no beast to think. Also (and I admit this can be a controversial claim), no one said he serves Dern willingly.

Bak'al is not everyhing Corruption has. It could exist perfectly without him.

They are completely different forces with their own unique properties. Even if the effects of their influence benefit Dern it does not mean they are similar or coming from the same source.
Also, please define how Corruption could be an "indirect" force of Dern.

And please use periods and capitalisation, it helps reading.