Any Class Help Guide To Build Types

Melee: Builds that revolve around your melee attack
Heavy Melee: Builds that put as much damage in a single melee attack as possible while having super slow attack speed
Tier Stack: Builds that use the very high base damage of super slow or very slow weapons and use items that give +attack speed bonus to give high dps
Rawstack: Builds that put as much raw melee damage on a fast-super fast attack speed weapon while keeping the super fast attack speed; used less than the other two
Cancelstack: Builds that cancel the -tier of one or two armor pieces that give high main attack

Spell: Builds that revolve around your spells Int spell: spell that uses intelligence to reduce spell costs
Intless spell: Spell that uses -%spell cost to reduce spell costs instead, usually ending up with high -intelligence due to how these kinds of items usually have very high -intelligence
Heavy spell: Use ambivalence, an item that gives very high %spell damage but increases spell costs by a lot, then cancel it any way possible

Hybrid: Builds that use both spells and melee
Heavy Hybrid: Heavy melee combined with spellspam
Fast (true) Hybrid: Builds that use both spells and a fast melee to deal considerable amounts of damage, unlike spellsteal where the melee is usually extremely weak
Spellsteal: Spell builds that rely completely on mana steal for sustain

Tank: Builds that don't deal much damage but are meant to take a lot of hits
Healer (restricted to mage and shaman but can be done with warrior and archer): Tank build that revolves around healing allies

Poison: Builds that revolve around poison damage
Heavy Poison: Builds that put as much poison as possible while having super slow attack speed
Fast Poison: Builds that put as much poison as possible while maintaining a fast attack speed

Troll Builds: joke builds
Hunted Build: builds made fully out of untradeable or mythic items, so that none drop on death. Should have high amounts of agility since defense doesn't work in pvp.

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also if you see any mistakes suggest edits in the comments and I'll get to them asap
I'm bad at the game so

 

Saving my spot this is gonna be a long one :doom:

Firstly, that chart isn't accurate. I'll go from left-right. Cancelstack being an extension of tierstack: wouldn't that mean it belongs under tierstack too? I wouldn't categorise "tank" and "healer" under hybrid. I understand they are their own specialised playstyles so I think a bubble of their own is more appropriate. Next, I assume you've grouped spellsteal (mana steal builds without emphasis on the melee damage) in spell but it does in fact fall under hybrid because melee is essential. Lastly, 0-int spell is NOT heavy spell. That's a completely different essay to be written (here).

"put as much damage into a single *MAIN attack" is how I'd put it else this could mean heavy spell as well (e.g Cataclysm and Warchief vanish-multihit-repeat).

EDIT: I don't have computer access and this is way too scuffed and tedious to do on mobile (quoting whilst editing). Someone else finish off the job for me...

 

time to read the entire essay then rewrite my entire post

 

M probably something wrong with my take as well but wtever. Also I am only looking at the chart

Melee: Heavy melee, cancelstack, and rawstack fall into the same category because they utilize raw melee damage on armors and accessories. I don't really know which "subsections" they would fall into but probably not the way you have it here. If anything cancelstack is a fusion of tierstack and heavy melee.

Utility: healer and tank are not separate. A healer is by definition also a tank.

Hybrid: a fusion of melee and spell which is not made clear in this chart. some of the most popular fast hybrid builds like Sunstar+slayer are also intless spell. Again, not made clear. Heavy hybrid is basically spell, wouldn't even consider it as its own category. Most of the time heavy hybrid is just spellsteal but one of the pieces like dawnbreak has some raw melee on it. The melee damage is quite negligible if the build is made properly.

Spell: heavy spell is not necessarily no-int. Take Anxiolytic for example. Personally, anything with more than 2-2 cycle cost is heavy spell to me. This could just be because there aren't any -spell cost items, not because there isn't any intelligence.

Poison: wtf is fast poison. From my experience anything that stacks poison is considered heavy poison, even though it may not have sslow. I think the understanding that heavy poison is sslow comes from alkahest, but a heavy poison build doesn't need to use alka.

Overall chart isn't too bad, needs some changing though.

EDIT: I completely forgot to mention spellsteal and spellspam woops

 

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spellsteal and hybrid aren't initially synonymous, as hybrid was first a method of using both melee and spells for damage output, while spellsteal is literally just spellspam with an extra step. hybrid has grown into a more flexible word over the years though, so i would classify spellsteal as hybrid, you did good there. just add heavy hybrid and true hybrid under hybrid. true hybrid isnt used very often but its what I just stated, where both melee and spells are used for "significant" damage output.

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add spellspam under spell and add war builds as a category

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other than those smaller things, I like the chart, havent read the description of each archetype yet

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a healer may always be tanky, but a tank can rely on external healing for sustain and lack good self sustain. immo builds are tanky, but they arent heal builds by any means

 

so is this heavy poison ?
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0ca0cf0cc0cd0OQ0BK0BI0Ji0Qy2M000026-d1g00001000CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Snail Helm
> Snail Mail
> Snail Leggings
> Snail Boots
> Diamond Solar Ring
> Flashfire Knuckle
> Flashfire Gauntlet
> Contrast
> Toxoplasmosis [f6f6]

 

yeah I guess
since all builds that revolve around poison are poison builds (fast poison doesn't exist but I thought it did)

 

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0V60oj0JL0Dg0kN0050K40Xc0ka1Q1u051K0D1g00001000CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Necrosis
> Terra's Mold
> Greaves of the Veneer
> Dart Frog's Skin
> Saundersi Signet
> Summa
> Prowess
> Power Cell
> Sequoia [f6f6]

fast poison does exist

the distinction of "heavy poison" used to have meaning but now doesn't really, since it applies to almost all meta poison items.
before the current set of meta poison items were introduced it was basically just necrosis (and a much older variation of scorpio that looks way different) and this -tier was a penalty

heavy referring to the slow attack speed (ever notice how poison items tend to have -tier?)

in contrast to items like necrosis, which boost your attack speed to allow faster spreading of poison.

(which doesn't really matter nowadays since toxo poison gets totem to spread it anyway)

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but yes the reason why nobody talks about "fast poison" vs "heavy poison" is because fast poison is essentially obselete

 

Nice guide but some of the playstyle doesn't really exist right now or kinda mixed up... (such as definition of tank builds since I think only Guardian can actually belongs to that) Maybe you can adjust the description and the graph by a bit. Can I link this thread to my mega thread?

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I don't agree spellsteal should be classify as hybrid because to me one of the ways to define builds is the main damage output source and spellsteal main damage source is still spell and does no melee damage. It just a spell playstyle that rely melee hit to proc ls/ms to sustain.

 

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just because something isn't used much doesn't mean it doesn't exist

hybrid=both spell and melee are essential to proper function and spellsteal needs melee

 

you can add a ''true hybrid'' segment, where melee deals considerable amount of dmg toghether with the spells (something that most spellsteal builds dont do)
that includes heavy and fast hybrid, but not all spellsteal builds
also, a hybrid build that uses cheap spells and some heavy melee is considered heavy hybrid right? (like cata+dawnbreak)

 

yeah iirc

 

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