Mage/Dark Wizard Looking for feedback on my endgame Mage build

https://www.wynndata.tk/s/3s1d9w

This is what I'm in the process of working towards right now. The goal is to be able to spam high damage meteors by stacking up flat spell damage then rocketing it into the stratosphere with The Nothing. Along the way I'm looking to pick up some solid mana regen and of course get a solid health total. I mostly play solo so well-rounded stats is a must.

 

wynnbuilder.github.io please

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https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_01B0mG0AB0tv0OK0OK0ob0OM0CD000y1f0t001g00000
WynnBuilder build:
> Albacore
> Soul Signal
> The Crossing
> Pro Tempore
> Diamond Hydro Ring
> Diamond Hydro Ring
> Tear of Pirate Cove
> Diamond Hydro Necklace
> The Nothing []

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ok so improvements: 16k ehp is nothing. Improve ehp
maybe higher mana sustain if you dont getting 105 int
dmg is ok

 

Oh geez yeah you're right, plugging in my current setup (full morph) there's a massive EHP difference. I should be able to get to 105 int with my remaining skill points, but I'll always take more mana regen if I can fit it in. I can't seem to get my ehp to go up that much though.. any suggestions there? This is my first time trying to make a build and I don't know the intricacies that well. I can see why you prefer wynnbuilder though, I had no idea the ehp was so poor.

 

a very tanky the nothing build
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_07R0K70D40Wi0GQ0GQ0TN0og0CD+T0t141d1Q1g00000
WynnBuilder build:
> Cancer֎
> Soulflare
> Dark Shroud
> Dragon Dance
> Finesse
> Finesse
> Dragon's Eye Bracelet
> Tenuto
> The Nothing []
wynndata is just outdated and have wrong calculation on builds (it's still good for checking items).
its 68 int cus when holding the nothing it will deduct 25 int but 68 already good enough for the high mr/ms sustain.

 

That is uh... certainly tanky lol. Looks like def and agi is the best way to pump up that ehp which... really I should have expected in all honestly. Damage is looking a bit low though, I'm getting better meteors with my current setup and I was looking at The Nothing build specifically to pump my damage up.

 

the nothing have no powder slot which can be a disadvantage cus u can't access to courage/curse to boost dmg.
Use peaceful rest if you want to access courage/curse.
Also to be honest mage can't really dps unless you have access to mythic (fatal for spell dps and singu for melee dps, you can say non-mythic can work but the dmg is just... meh not worth talking about).

 

That's... disappointing. I've higher damage meteors thrown around in build discussions and I was hoping to cash in on that without sacrificing too much survivability. I could grab a fatal if that would help, I was hoping to stay away from mythics for the most part (except some of the cheaper ones) but if that's what it takes...

 

fatal is usually around 1 stx for a meh one and 1.5-3 stx for a ok one (I'm not sure cus I don't always keep in check with the market)
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/need-a-fatal-dps-build.296330/
This build have quite a lot of discussions about fatal builds (and ofc a lot of builds too)
Another my recommendation is Monster. It's a even (maybe) cheaper than fatal and I think you can buy a decent or even a good one with under 2stx. Altho the dmg really looks like a normal non-mythic build but it works very well with endurance to boost dmg cus the high sustain the builds has and can cap endurance without problems. It also works well with Time Rift to push the dps even higher with some rng from Sorcery (30% chance to recast melee, spell and powder special).
What I use (build made by J_Lo777, need perfect ms and mr rolls on armor for better sustain, perfect ms monster is so rare on TM):
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0K90px0u50tv0OK0OK0K40og0Qn050i212M051g1000CO1000CO01000CO1006CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Sparkweaver
> Time Rift
> Adrenaline
> Pro Tempore
> Diamond Hydro Ring
> Diamond Hydro Ring
> Prowess
> Tenuto
> Monster [f6f6f6]
also trift monster but tankier and no need to require perfect Mr/ms rolls cus half of the items used are pre-ided (build made by BrightDanny, remember to put 2 f6 powder on each armor pieces cus he forgot to do so when making the build):
https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0K90px0r50K50OK0uN0K40OM0Qn0c0V212M0B1g00001006CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Sparkweaver
> Time Rift
> Vaward
> Silt of the Seafloor
> Diamond Hydro Ring
> Ataraxy
> Prowess
> Diamond Hydro Necklace
> Monster [f6f6f6]
try to get a perfect Mr and ms trift. Ms at least need to be 50% but perfect is more preferred.
if u rlly don't like trift (build from op mythic build thread)
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_06...0Qn0H0o212M0C1f1000CO1000CO1000CO1000CO1006CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Blue Mask
> Medeis
> Ophiuchus
> Pro Tempore
> Moon Pool Circlet
> Intensity
> Diamond Solar Bracelet
> Diamond Hydro Necklace
> Monster [f6f6f6]
All the builds above can use koh as off-hand weapon for healing (monster have +1 heal cost)

 

TWF usually good all around builds
WFA tanky
EWF is a option
EWA is gamblie
ETW is dmg
TWA is bad(personal opinion)

 

Intriguing. I'll internally whine about numbers but I'm beginning to realize my dreams of spamming 18-20k meteors is pretty unrealistic if I don't want to get oneshot. The last one looks especially interesting though... no time rift so *potentially* less damage but I do love my mana regen.

 

just learn to work with ms. The trift monster build i pasted have super slow atk speed to charge courage and proc ms easier (What I do is ice snake-meteor-melee. trift can recast melee so can charge up courage and sustain easier), trift can also recast meteor to fling 2 meteors at once and recast courage to make courage stack up together (according to BrightDanny, his build can do 30k meteor dmg with cap endu and double-stacked courage. According to my calculation if meteor is also recasted at the endu and courage active time span, then u can do 60k with 2 meteors at once, quite op with Sorcery' 30% rng in my opinion).

 

fatal can be tanky with 18-20k meteor but you need slayer (perfect 3rd cost is needed most case to get 1 cost meteor but that's another 2-3stx) for it to work in most cases.

 

some more builds to look at
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_06...0Qn0C0s212M0C1f1000CO1000CO1000CO1000CO1006CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Blue Mask
> Medeis
> Ophiuchus
> Pro Tempore
> Moon Pool Circlet
> Intensity
> Dragon's Eye Bracelet
> Tenuto
> Monster [f6f6f6]
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_01...0Qn01111f2M011f1000CO1000CO1000CO1000CO1006CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Albacore
> Soulflare
> Demon Tide
> Pro Tempore
> Finesse
> Summa
> Dragon's Eye Bracelet
> Tenuto
> Monster [f6f6f6]
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_0Au0K70PW0Qq0050K20ON0Ji0QY01271B111B1g00001004fC
WynnBuilder build:
> Cumulonimbus
> Soulflare
> Leictreach Makani
> Slayer
> Summa
> Moon Pool Circlet
> Diamond Static Bracelet
> Contrast
> Fatal [t6w6w6]
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_07R0RZ0r50Wi0050K00TN0OM0A4+a0t211V0o1g00001006CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Cancer֎
> Medeis
> Vaward
> Dragon Dance
> Summa
> Intensity
> Dragon's Eye Bracelet
> Diamond Hydro Necklace
> Peaceful Rest [f6f6f6]
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_0u40RZ0JL0tv0GQ0GQ0TN0Od0A40o0t211P+T1g00001006CO
WynnBuilder build:
> Guillotine
> Medeis
> Greaves of the Veneer
> Pro Tempore
> Finesse
> Finesse
> Dragon's Eye Bracelet
> Gold Solar Necklace
> Peaceful Rest [f6f6f6]

 

May I suggest zero int spell?

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0qn0mM0D40Ju0DU0DU0070UB0CD-Y0t+h1U2M1g00000
WynnBuilder build:
> Unravel
> Sparkling Plate
> Dark Shroud
> Hephaestus-Forged Sabatons
> Darksteel Ring
> Darksteel Ring
> Back-Up Plan
> Renda Langit
> The Nothing []

Way better EHP, same damage.

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_0qn0mM0D40Ju0DU0DU0070UB0CD-Y1z+h111j1g00000
WynnBuilder build:
> Unravel
> Sparkling Plate
> Dark Shroud
> Hephaestus-Forged Sabatons
> Darksteel Ring
> Darksteel Ring
> Back-Up Plan
> Renda Langit
> The Nothing []

Still tons of EHP, but better damage. Literally the same thing, just with different sp allocation.

I've played with a bit with builds like this, and it's more than enough to solo EO (who needs to kill wretches anyways. That damage could be dealt to the eye!). I've done LI in it before, but I sometimes struggle with that because it's longer and that gives my internet more chances to mess me up. On the other hand, with 200k EHP I have survived my internet going out for a few seconds.

Don't worry about the mana, or heal costs. I can assure you that 11/3s mana steal gives you way more mana than you would think on a mage, as mana steal can proc on every mob hit, and mage hits a ton of mobs. And you never really need to spam heal if you have 200k EHP. If you want though, you can use Ivoire as a healing wand as it has zero int req and tons of water damage %. Doesn't help very much though.

 

Man I feel like I'm correcting your mage takes on every forum post.

Of course, mage is the worst class for DPS, but wands like Manablast, Judas and Event Horizon can hit hard. Lament is a powerhouse comparable to Fatal AND has easier access to Time Rift (Monster too I suppose). Gaia outperforms Singularity in melee and Quetz has comparable meteor damage to Fatal too.

Mage definitely falls short when compared to the other classes so instead compare the wands to each other.

 

I'm sorry for the mistake I made and bring inconvenient to others. I'm not really know what weapons can use in different aspects and I really should have think twice before I provide information to others. those non-mythic option are really not many people know about or even not the meta. you can submit these non-mythic builds to the mega thread endgame non-mythic build collection that I started out, I'm sure there's many players would like to see it.

 

do u have an example of this? gaia builds i've seen get slightly more dps in exchange for worse ehp and utility

 

I asked for a Gaia tstack build before and this is one of the builds I got
https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_0u30KF0X90Qz0OG0OG0OC0uH0Qa2M1h-Y-Y0e1g00001006C6
WynnBuilder build:
> Scarlet Veil
> Twilight-Gilded Cloak
> Physalis
> Warchief
> Diamond Fiber Ring
> Diamond Fiber Ring
> Diamond Fiber Bracelet
> Recalcitrance
> Gaia [e6f6f6]
12k ehp, 44k dps (it still have like 10k dps difference with warchief limbo tstack and have same ehp, mage is just fall behind other class in terms of dps in default after all)

 

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_0kq0ZS0kT05M0BK0BK0K40uH0Qa22060520121g00001006C6
WynnBuilder build:
> Shawl of Gaea
> Tisaun's Valor
> Second Wind
> Battleground Dancer
> Flashfire Knuckle
> Flashfire Knuckle
> Prowess
> Recalcitrance
> Gaia [e6f6f6]

 

Wow this is awesome for a budget mythic