Assassin/Ninja Help looking for spell-based(spellsteal ig) builds

https://hppeng-wynn.github.io/#4_07R0RZ0r50uD0K00TQ0OJ0og05n0P0t1h1m061g00001006CC

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/#4_07R0RZ0Jh0Aw0TQ0K00OJ0og05n0P0t1h1s001g000010066O

after looking for a while i found these two which have a good amount of ehp but i feel like the dps is low for assassin. I feel like my archer(70k ehp 9k bombs 23k storm) outdps these builds with the advantage of range.

so im looking for builds with more dps, same ehp and other ids like ms. mythics are ok as long as they cheap(1 stack or less) but are NOT preferred. no crafted items either please, durability is annoying.

If im seeing something wrong and these builds actually do more than enough dps please do explain and let me know.

thanks in advance!

 

Warning not pro rants, feel free to prove me wrong
Archer is built for high dps and have a different playstyle than assassin, these Black builds are already the non-mythic spellsteal meta of assassins. I guess Slider can be use but maybe even worst than Black. It's hard to balance ehp and dmg, if you looking for high dps in most case ehp have to be sacrificed. If you aiming for higher spell dps I afraid that mythic dagger such as Cataclysm and Nirvana are the only option.
Oh and also spin attacks are instant as the dude down there said have a much shorter span than archer arrowstorm and vanish exist, so the dps in those case may comparable and even better than archer. But really, if you aiming for higher dps mythic maybe is the only option.

 

These builds are fine, if you really want a hard-hitting assassin you would need a mythic or a roulette(which lacks powder specials). You have to remember that archer storm takes a long time to fire, except with nighthawk, and are single-target. Once you factor in the vanish boost your damage is gonna be comparable or greater than archer, especially vs a group of mobs. The only advantage archer will always have though, is range, so assassin is naturally harder to play.

Optimal assassin playstyle is to vanish at the enemy, melee to (hopefully) proc mana steal, then spam as many spells as you can during vanish's 2s damage boost, after which you vanish away

 

thats cool but im getting more ehp with archer which shouldnt be the case
also isnt multihit your main dps?
i did forget about vanish so thanks for that

alright, thanks

 

class base defense doesn't matter once youre endgame and tanky build is a more viable option. the only advantage of archer that makes it more survivable is range, which is because it's a completely different class than assassin which is a close-range class.
spin is main cus the dmg is instant and it can do more dmg than mutihit if you spam two spin at once which is also how assassin spell cycle works (vanish-melee-smoke bomb-spin-spin-mutihit, melee hit to get ms. some ppl won't use mutihit cus it have strong kb and can be annoying, in this case maybe you can replace it with another spin).
And also look at the build you post, they can reach up to 15k spin with both vanish dmg boost and courage active, so they are fine to use.

 

As is assassin but I see your point. Assassin just has better potential for tanking due to its baseline defense multiplier (and the fact that 9/10 assassin builds are forced to play closely anyway).

Blur and Sitis are a couple of really strong endgame (level 99, 99, and 100) daggers. Black is more mainstream due to meta of defense over agility, I guess the previous TWF/A meta still lingers too.

All the mythic daggers in fact. Don't sleep on Grimtrap >:I

The majority (what I didn't quote) of what you said is right though

 

thanks
I curious what grimtrap builds look like? I want to get a mythic in my assassin and grimtrap seems cool