Guide How Emerald Stealing Works + issues (also salted pls read bc I am like 99% sure you are kinda dumb)

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It is time for another thread that explains mechanics that mean very little to everyone. The topic on today's agenda is the stealing ID. Stealing—explained literally nowhere ingame—is an ID that gives a chance for a single emerald to drop upon attacking a mob.

Thanks to past testing, (that I can confirm) we knew a few things for certain: A mob can drop up to 5 emeralds from stealing, stealing is a % chance to happen, yeah that is pretty much it. Thanks to @Verle and his testing (big shoutout to him) he came to the following conclusion.

"When an emerald is dropped, a cooldown is activated during which no emeralds can be stolen. Once this cooldown runs out, each hit has a chance (given by the Stealing stat) to steal an emerald regardless of attack speed. However, the cooldowns are dependent on attack speed." -Verle's thread

This is pretty spot on except the stealing cooldowns were never found, until now

Super Fast: 8.6 seconds
Very Fast: 6.2 seconds
Fast: 5.0 seconds
Normal: 4.1 seconds
Slow: 3.0 seconds
Very Slow: 1.66 seconds
Super Slow: ~1 second

You might be thinking "wow that makes no sense, why do fast attack speeds suck so much?" and to be honest it doesn't make sense. This is also the reason why I think that whoever made stealing also made a critical error. These numbers are exactly twice the assumed (incorrect) hits per second of weapons.

Spoiler: Assumed Hits/Second of Weapons

Super Fast: 4.3
Very Fast: 3.1
Fast: 2.5
Normal: 2.05
Slow: 1.5
Very Slow: 0.83
Super Slow: 0.51

I believe that when designing stealing it was intended to have a 2 second cooldown but somewhere along the way someone forgot how math works. (doubling hits per second does not = proper cooldown time in seconds)

With this strange cooldown and greed there is a serious imbalance between super fast and super slow, this imbalance is made much greater by poison. Poison ticks also trigger stealing (cooldown still applies). Super slow has a stealing cooldown of around 1 second, this means that the time between poison ticks is enough for it to reset. This means that when using Super Slow attack speed one hit drops 4 emeralds (1 from initial hit + 3 additional from poison ticks). This gives Super Slow speed 1 emerald per second* compared to Super Fast's ~1/17th emerald per second.

*I am aware poison is wacky and it is actually 3.25 seconds for a full poison cycle, for you sticklers the proper number is 0.94 emeralds per second, I just wanted to keep this from not being weird decimal numbers.

In terms of health recovered with greed a build with super slow attack speed and poison (any value but 0, negative works) will recover up to 15%* of their hp per second (I am told greed cooldown is 1s, please correct me if i'm wrong). This is quite unfair when you compare it to a build with a super fast weapon's mere ~1.74% hp per second.

*for you ppl that cared about the previous astrix, the actual number is 14.11%

TLDR:

Spoiler: Stealing Cooldown Values

Super Fast: 8.6 seconds
Very Fast: 6.2 seconds
Fast: 5.0 seconds
Normal: 4.1 seconds
Slow: 3.0 seconds
Very Slow: 1.66 seconds
Super Slow: ~1 second

stealing HEAVILY favors slow attack speeds. When using stealing in builds also use poison for 4x more effect.

Ok uhh mandatory AIn plug and @Chrysitis demanded that I mention him for crafting my stealing rings.

Spoiler: 2nd major discovery!!!11!!11one!!111!

stealing blows for making money (this took like 3 hours)


edit: this is cap, stealing go crazy

 

Hello chat

 

another BANGER from muchie waggert

 

absolutely incredible thread from my FAVORITE pond dweller

 

Only about a year ago:
gamering thread btw

 

Hello chat

salted...

 

wynnic_e

:)

 

Remember kids, if you want to keep track of your spell damage modifiers by attack speed, just divide the emerald cooldown by 2

 

You are SUCH a clown

 

bruh

 

muchwag is a toxic person

 

does attack speed refer to base or final attack speed in this thread?

 

Verle tested this and he mentions in his thread (that's linked in the post) that it's affected by the final attack speed (including + or - tiers), as expected.

 

wow super cool amazong wow stealing when am i ever going to use this

 

Is stealing actually intended to work like this though? It seems awfully strange…

 

I hate muchwag
thank you for listening

 

Intended game meshaniks

 

thank u for crediting me waggert

 

bump bc I want more forums likes