SPOILER Qira Is Dernic

Qira is, canonically, one of the strongest creatures in the world. She has the power to create armies on command, possible mind control abilities, and of course is trans which only amplifies her power. Now there's only one, small issue with this.

We don't know where the hell she came from.

Now, it's completely possible that she's simply a powerful Gavellian, but I think there's just a little more to her than meets the eye. Let's take a look at the Mistress of the Hive for a moment.

Spoiler: Qira

She just looks like a scary demon lady, right? What's the big deal about her appearance? Well don't worry, I'll tell. First we just need to take a look at some other creatures.

Spoiler: Other Monsters

Do you notice anything similar? They all share the same color scheme, near-monochrome with only splashes of other forms of color. And each one, apart from Qira, is confirmed to be Dernic. Even the miners of Lutho have been reduced to monochrome husks, and their souls in Happier Lutho are just as gray.

Spoiler: Lutho Citizens

So Qira herself appears to be Dernic, but one person's appearance isn't make-or-break. But to stay on the topic of appearances, let's take a look at the Hive itself.

Spoiler: The Hive

This may be somewhat of a stretch, but in my opinion The Hive looks somewhat like the Silent Expanse. At the very least it reminds me of the entrance/the Olmic City, with the darkness creeping in on the surroundings.

But again, that could just be a stretch. Let’s move on.

Let’s say Qira is, in fact, Dernic. What’s she doing in Gavel? There’s a number of explanations for this, the simplest could be that she’s preparing to destroy Gavel like Bak’al has been attempting with Wynn, but that’s disproven with a deal she supposedly made with the Gavel government. I think Qira is explicitly against Dern.

I can think of two possible reasons for how she got into the physical realm in the first place. 1. She’s a former servant of Dern. 2. She’s a refugee from The Realm of Darkness who’s out for revenge.

Either could be possible, but I personally am more inclined to believe the first of these two theories after writing this whole post. The Olm are known to have fled from The Realm of Darkness, as seen in a sign in the Ancient City of WynnExcavation Site D. It’s possible that Qira escaped along with The Olm and fled to Gavel to hide. She didn’t spread The Decay simply from being a creature of darkness, The Parasite was specifically created to spread Decay. That being said, the area she hid in slowly started to become warped by her influence, becoming The Hive.

The reason why I especially believe why Qira is fighting against Dern in particular is a few lines from her servants. Upon completing the quest, Yansur states that Qira refused to eliminate the Decay so she could instead “create” in preparation for war. She created her armies, and presumably started the challenge so that she could test its strength along with the challengers that manage to earn an “audience” with her. In fact, the whole plan was to find people strong enough in the first place, Yansur and Qira just put up a facade that you were the first person to defeat the “original” challenge, presumably so that adventurers aren’t scared away by the thought of facing Qira on their own.

One of the servants says, “I think this is only the third or fourth success on the challenge I've seen in my lifetime, and the first to feature a successful bout with Mistress.” This confirms that there have been people who have defeated all of the armies before, yet failed to defeat Qira. Whether that was because they were slaughtered by her or because they fled, we know not. Another servant states that Qira uses equipment that weakens her when she tests people. It’s possible that the equipment mentioned could be touched by the light, but that’s an entirely separate theory and a not very likely one as corruption is another factor.

Let’s talk about her powers. Her most apparent ability is to create and modify life and even grant sentience to them. Most of the creatures from/serving Dern are shown to be incredibly powerful, from The Eye to Bak’al. A Dernic creature that hatched from an egg destroyed Dead Island on its lonesome. Yet the only creature we’ve seen creating sentient life is the Dern Beast itself, that being The Eye and The Parasite. (I’ll most likely talk about the beast in a later thread which will give more information on that. For now I’ll just say that The Eye speaks in Irish translated to Ancient Wynnic compared to the beast speaking in the common language, giving the two entirely separate dialects. And The Parasite can’t speak, but it can most likely think for itself.) A close second would be The Eye creating Retaliating Gazers in the middle of the fight and most likely being the creator of The Wretches, or even every enemy we find in the Outlook. That being said, none of these are sentient and only seek to kill intruders.

This implies that even among creatures of Darkness, Qira is incredibly powerful. This could give some leeway to the first theory I mentioned, that she used to serve Dern but betrayed it for currently-unknown reasons. Let’s talk about that theory for a while. As stated before, Qira is extremely powerful, referred to as “The most feared being in Gavel.” Gavel is the province closest to the light, the gateway to The Realm of Light is in one of its forests and Orphion directly speaks with the player multiple times to guide them. What would be more terrifying than a creature of Darkness?

It’s entirely possible that Qira was meant to exterminate The Olm, originating from The Realm of Darkness would make it a lot easier to commit genocide on a species trapped there. Perhaps she caught them as they were escaping and, depending on the method used, she was essentially sucked out of her home realm and into the physical one, specifically to what is now the Silent Expanse. She most likely would have been weakened by a forceful journey to another realm, and thus couldn’t carry out her mission. As a result, The Olm might have been able to banish her, she wouldn’t be able to fight back without risking her own life.

She wandered the physical realm until finally reaching Gavel and scaring the everloving shit out of its residents thanks to her dark nature. Eventually she came to rest in the Canyon of the Lost, forming what is now The Hive. Dern never came back for her, she could’ve felt betrayed as a result. Or, more likely, she realized that Dern was throwing the balance of Light and Dark away in its all-consuming hunger for power. So, once she regained her strength, she began to create her army.

The other theory, that she was a refugee, is mostly the same. The main thing that supports this is that she wears what appears to be tattered clothing underneath the armor when you fight her. She could’ve had an awful life in her home realm and perhaps either made a deal with The Olm or simply snuck through herself to escape. After being weakened, The Olm banished her, and one way or another she ended up in Gavel. I actually believed this theory for a long time, but after writing the first, there’s just a lot more evidence pointing to the former from what I’ve found.

One more thing before I close this off: Qira’s personality is a rather interesting one. She’s commonly referred to as “evil,” even by her own servants. She’s stated to be unethical, which makes sense. But she’s also motherly. Let me explain, Qira says she’ll have to “discipline” Yansur after forgetting some very important things about The Hive challenge. This implies she’s a bit on the strict side, but if we go back to the other servants, we see another side. There’s an old servant that says they can’t “do anything more taxing than reading and writing,” but Qira allows them to stay and they really do seem happy to be there. A newer servant states that she wonders whether or not Qira is really as bad as the rumors say she is, and that she was a beggar before being given a home. After beating the challenge, she also says the rules aren’t overbearing. Another servant says that he was pulled “from the streets” and allowed to keep a painting of his former family, albeit at the cost of actually being able to visit his daughter. One servant even states that the uniforms are supposed to protect from magic, but I believe that what they actually do is protect from Qira’s influence as a Dernic creature. Qira’s nature is one of evil, but her personality is very much good.

Thanks to everyone in ANO Discord who helped me refine this theory and generally provide feedback!

 

All I know is that qira is the imposter

 

qira sussy, dakrai smart

 

Or she just built it, since, well, it is called the Hive...

Except the fact it lowers hers powers it has no reason for this to be true.


I think most people think it, but a great thread nonetheless!

I don't think many villagers really know about Gavel being affected by Light (might be wrong though)

I think we would probably know about this, since the Olm probably returned before 900AP so she would have to wander Wynn for centuries

 

Consider the following:

a lot of spiders are black

Also consider:
Qira has def and damage in all elements. The dernic mobs you showed had earth weakness and thunder dmg/def. Different!

Coming up with an idea then finding evidence that proves it isn't a very good basis for a theory. That's like coming up with the idea that all swans are white, then googling "white swans", and all the pictures are of white swans, thus "confirming" your idea that all swans are white. (Black swans exist.)
If you want to make a good argument that, say, Qira is dernic, debunk evidence that disproves it. To prove all swans are white, find out if black swans exist (they do, though)

Do the ben shapiro "Let's say, hypothetically, for the sake of the argument, in fact"

Actually, there is corruption under the obelisk as seen in the Monument of Light Secret Discovery.

 

Fate of the Olm: "The beast's follower is here, looking for the artifact. It's too late, it was buried with our grandmother yesterday. If you are in dire need of light, please seek it out. The tomb is north of the mansion. The is likely our last moment, but it doesn't have to be yours."
hmmmm i wonder who the beast's follower could be
doesn't actually have to be Qira or anything but tbh it'd make a lot more sense imo if it was an already established character rather than just vague not Bak'al that we'll probably never hear about again, and Qira would certainly fit the role if she did defect from Dern for whatever reason


definitely an interesting theory - not much explicit proof to go off of, but it would explain Qira's origins and motivations pretty well, and I'm fairly certain fits with all relevant lore stuff

 

I see lore thread
I expect to see someone yell about it all being false (i've seen too many have that happen)
I see someone actually agree (or, not disagree let's go with that) with it
:happy:

 

> Wants to humor the idea that Qira is Dernic
> Looks at other Dernic things
> Notices high similarity
While that isn't the end of the post, this is more along the lines of the logic I'm seeing for the first part of the theory. Or, if we put it in terms of swans:
> Wants to humor the idea that swans aren't always white
> Looks up pictures swans
> Sees that the 12th picture down (at least for my google results) shows a black swan
Of course, at this point it gets into whether those swans are naturally black or not. In terms of Qira, this would get into whether the similarity is a just a correlation or is actually intentional and says something, which is not something we can easily prove or disprove, which is when the argument shifts to different kinds of evidence

 

Huh?
I wasn't referring to the first part, but ok
> Wants to humor the idea that Qira is Dernic
> Looks at other Dernic things
> Notices high similarity
So, you have a claim. A high similarity supports the idea that Qira is dernic. However, that was not what I was mentioning. What I meant, was that, you need a lack of evidence that is against the idea that Qira is dernic.
> Wants to humor the idea that swans aren't always white
> Looks up pictures swans
> Sees that the 12th picture down (at least for my google results) shows a black swan
So, you have a claim. Now, how do we prove it? Let's assume that the opposite is true: that all swans are white. The appearance of a black swan explicitly, without need of further reasoning or evidence, disproves the idea that all swans are white. Thus we confirm our claim.

How we would apply this to the Qira claim: we assume Qira is not dernic. Is there anything that explicitly disproves this opposite claim? No. So, we cannot assume Qira is dernic.

 

(brown spider)
'a lot of spiders are black'


also, most spiders in wynncraft are dark blue or grey/brown. only 3 or so look black to me, all of which are/are related to Arakadicus.
Edit: also, there could be dernic spiders. The parasite looks fairly spidery.

 

You seem to have failed to mention the purple swirling magic above The Hive..

I like to think that Qira was like the Dern Beast's Lari, but when she saw the chaos that her side was causing, she stopped spreading darkness and started to prepare her army to fight back against her former master.

 

So, one issue:
If she was dernic, we wouldn't be able to damage her.
We, until level 100, in the events of the quest Journey Further, cannot damage dernic creatures.

 

Spoiler: a journey beyond

we cannot damage some dernic creatures until we do AJB. here's the exact line Dren uses to explain it:

• Dren: Some Dark creatures use a sort of synchronous barrier that prevents them being harmed by other creatures influenced with Darkness.

we're also fully capable of damaging the parasite and creatures in the fantastic voyage realm a full 10-20 levels before 100, and another dark creature (the mangled progeny) before purifying ourselves in AJB itself, so i think it's safe to say that many/most dark creatures are not resistant to any dark influences this way, but the one in the mines happened to be. not to mention that whatever armor debuff she's using could very well be, at least somewhat, to remove the barrier and allow us to have a fair fight, if she does happen to be affected by this normally.

 

And why would Qira be sympathetic towards Gavel or Wynn or anywhere in this realm? Because Dern is the big baddie and Orphion is the ultimate good? Can you objectively say that the decay was good or bad? And, from any standpoint, was it even chaotic?

Uh, there are a lot of spiders all around the hive? Hive drones? Qira has web spells?

 

That is true, it is stated somewhere (I think RoL 4?) that the Darkness isn't inherently evil, moreso that it thinks that it is doing the right thing.

 

I’m saying that there are no black spiders at the hive, Not that there are no spiders at all

 

Ok and Orphion thinks he is doing the right thing?
Are you implying that Dern is inherently wrong and Orphion is inherently right, just Dern is misguided?

 

No, I'm implying that nobody is wrong or right.

 

Then why would Qira choose to separate from Dern?

 

Perhaps she simply prefers the light, or maybe she was mistreat by Dern?