‌psa ‌2 ‌electric ‌boogaloo: ‌our ‌mana ‌regen ‌times ‌are ‌fucked

uh.

So you may have heard this a bit around #class_builds on wynn discord or in AIn discord.

and also from a totally unrelated psa on mana steal by hibread that may have posted just a bit earlier.

But yeah so the mana regen ID itself is a lie, activating every 5s instead of every 4s

(why are you surprised? this is wynn)

Video evidence 1: Framecounted mana regen at 5 seconds (within a few frames)


In addition natural mana regen tens to proc at 1 mana/1s, not (idk what people really thought here but there was a rumor that it was 1 mana/0.8s)

Video evidence 2: Takes 20seconds to regenerate from 0 mana to full, with no additional mana regeneration IDs. Also framecounted individual mana pops at ~1s, far from 0.8s.


From guesswork I think that the rumor that mana was 1/0.8s was started because natural mana regen is "equivalent" to 5/4 mana regen (and it is, but thats because mana regen pops every 5s...)

why does this matter:
well, for example a common building assumption for spell builds is 6cps. Under old theory it was assumed that 6cps at 1/1 cost would consume 8 mana, requiring 3/4 mana regen on top of 5/4 natural to sustain. Under new theory 5/4 mana regen is required because that would provide one additional mana per second (on average), coupled with natural mana regen of 1/1s.

TL;DR: Mana regen ID procs every 5 seconds. Natural mana regen rate is 1/1s.

also, we are pretty darned confident that it isn't "just server lag" -- from building experience mage can burn 5 to 6/4 mana regen cycling 1/1 meteor heal, and other people have tested this in the past (@appleptr16 and @Qzphs probably have a bit more to say on this) and reached similar conclusions.

credit @Neptune framecounting
atlas inc people for being :atlas:

 

Summary thread of all these AIn headaches coming this weekend (TM)

 

incredible

 

1.20.1 hotfix 3: removed Mana steal and regen.

 

rip spellspam

 

Lmao kudos to the frame counter that must have been pain

 

I've been waiting for someone to test this since it's the next logical step, but...
Has anyone tested wether or not the mana steal chances are what we think they are?

'cuz if they are, mana steal would theoretically give back more mana per second on average.

 

there is a reason this thread is titled 'psa 2'
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/‌psa-‌our-‌life-mana-‌steal-‌probabilities-‌are-‌fucked.288826/