Champion Is Pretty Fair And Should Be In The Game - Change My Mind

I said this before, but I refuse to buy champion until it's in a fair state,
Moreover, my arguments aren't exclusive to people without the rank.
Salted still has the ability to make the game actively worse in order to incentive buying it,
and like I said, the current perks become an increasingly non-benefit the more people buy the rank.
Both of those points still stand, even if you have the rank now.

 

maybe if you bought champion you wouldnt have these issues lol

 

I literally just said the issues are mutually exclusive to whether or not you have the rank, maybe actually read my post instead of ignoring it.
@Pyromanic
You as well actually read my post.

 

I agree with you, however the issue would be the same with the VIP rank wouldn't it ? VIP players have access to totems that make grinding combat XP easier.
The problem lies deeper. Bombs have and always have been, accessible to everyone with the same chance. But now, they suddenly changed that, so that people who paid have more chance to get into bomb servers where previously anyone had the same chance of getting into the said server.
Still, if they fixed the slot thingy with champions taking normal slot, would be nice.

 

Once the champion slots bug is fixed prof parties will be largely unaffected

I'm trying not to argue definitions, just the impact on the game. Currently the benefit isn't huge enough to impact everyone else detrimentally, so the rank is fair and deserves it's spot. Pet tasks aren't huge enough to get Champions a stack a day or anything like that, so they don't have much of an impact to non champions. I'm also not arguing whether the champion rank will upgrade or not, just the rank in it's current state, or more specifically the bomb bell as that's what people are constantly complaining about. And I really hate to bring this up, but I'm not a champion either, I just think that the rank doesn't have an issue.

 

Not really, totems, like bombs, can be used by all players, and is also a perk every other rank has, the same doesnt hold up for champion, as of the reserved slots and the bomb bell

 

I didn't argue about them changing the rank though,
All of my arguments were entirely based on the possibility they change the game to influence buying the rank, which they have done before when Vips were pay to win aswell.

 

That's still pretty irrelevant isn't it? I'm just talking about it in it's current state and how it's pretty fair as of now. I don't support changing the game to make it harder for non champions.

 

The main issue you wanted to point out was either champion rank had some unfair advantages. Of course pet tasks or whatever doesn't give you an insane advantage over non champion player but it still does. The problem with bomb bell/switch/slots is that on top of giving champs an edge on getting on a bomb server (which should be accessible to everyone right, since that's why bombs were and are allowed to be sold), it denies (or at least strongly disadvantages) non champion players.

Of course we can argue whether or not the advantage you gain is that huge or not, but are there any ? The answer is yes.

 

No one seems to talk about pet tasks too much from what i've seen, tbh from my experience theyre not insanely broken, but they're kinda nifty when you need em, nons should absolutely get access to pet tasks tho, and as of now you can only send 3 pets in a task at a time, so they could make it similar to pets with VIP+, if you're a non you can only have 1 out at a time, and if youre vip+ you can have 3, then, similarly if you're non you can have 1 pet doing a task at a time, but if you're champion, you can have 3 pets doing tasks at a time

 

I said an unfair advantage, you can have an advantage and still have it be fair because you've paid for it. As I've already explained once the slot bug is fixed you'll still have a similar experience getting into bomb servers, since if a Champion want's the bomb they'd be on bomb tracker or something, and private parties only have around 20 people.

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good idea

 

It is harder for non champions though. PRETTY fair isn't the same as absolutely fair. Yes champions should have perks for supporting, and they already do. This is just game breaking. Looking at the server list and seeing all the piss yellow should already show you how broken it is.

 

I'm not saying it's absolutely fair. You don't have much evidence saying it's game breaking, non champions can still play the game perfectly fine with minimal impact imo, speaking from a non champion perspective.

 

Well then technically any pay to wynn systems would be fine because nons aren't impacted. Give everyone with champion a free mythic then.

 

That would impact nons as the price of mythics plunge and it's close to impossible to earn money fast to buy other products. This doesn't. Also I'm probably going to sleep soon, so I'll respond to other stuff in the morning

 

Ive heard that the way champion slots worked is trash so maybe that will make it better. Bomb bell seems kinda iffy but idk

 

Every arguement for and against Champion has already been made. You've clearly made up your mind, nobody is convincing you otherwise. Don't try to act like people can change your mind, it's disingenuous.

As for what you did say, your reasons for it staying are weak and entirely subjective at best. Speaking as somebody who bought it, I haven't been motivated to play at all and I don't think it adds anything of value to the game. I haven't used a single feature from Champion yet, I only bought it because I've been playing the game for a really long time and wanted to pay for the fun I already had. Not saying that everyone feels the same as me, but you can't use that as an argument when you have no proof to back it up and anecdotes saying the opposite.

Does Champion improve Wynn? That's also completely subjective, though polls asking that (or variants of it) tend to say the opposite. I would actually say Champion has made Wynn as a game worse because potential pet content which could make the game better for everyone is now locked behind a paywall and Champion otherwise added nothing.

Finally, the CT needing money is the single weakest excuse for something like Champion I have ever seen. If the CT need money they should be putting effort into maintaining their store more actively by adopting a more aggressive F2P monetization strategy. I'm not going to feel bad for people who can't be bothered to add anything new to their store more then once every other year. If they need more money every month, they need to be giving people something new to buy every month, not pulling this shit. All that aside, up until a couple days ago, I still felt kind of bad for them, but the fact that they put Champion on sale two weeks after they released it shows a level of business incompetence which can't even be represented by words. At this point, I'm convinced that the reason why they need so much money is because they have no clue how to raise and use funds in a remotely intelligent way.

TL;DR: Your arguments for it being around are terrible, nobody is going to change your mind, don't pretend like they can.

 

This whole argument is stupid anyway because even if champion is pay to win (which it blatantly is) the server could get into legal trouble if they changed/removed any promised features that people have paid for. It's too late now.

 

1. My mind can be changed, someone already proved to me that it's not completely fair.
2. I can make the same argument for you. You've made a thread before saying how 1.20 was a really bad update, so I'm clearly not gonna change your mind any time soon.
3. Whether or not Champion has impacted the game, you cannot deny the fact that it's given developers more money.
4. You cannot say "Well I haven't..." and speak for every single person who has bought champion. And even if you're correct, the dev team still now has more money to spend on the server.
5. How smart the dev team is at monetization has nothing to do with whether champion is fair or not.

 

Christ, this went as well as expected.

I've stated my issues with champion before on the other thread on this forum so I won't be going into why I don't like (some aspects of) Champion. However, one element that I find to be completely bullshit is that fact that Wynntils Devs were told not to put a bomb tracker on their mod since it would give other players an advantage over others. They then pull an epic gamer move and make that a feature but instead they put it behind a pay-wall. I find it very hypocritical and very dishonest of the Wynncraft staff to say that putting a bomb bell on a mod, which might I add is free to download and use to your hearts content, is an advantage over players not using the mod, but to then do the exact same thing later down the road except this time put it behind a pay-wall.

Look, obviously you've made your mind up about Champion and whether you like it or not I don't care, but you have to admit, even just a little bit, that to do something like this is just hypocritical on Wynn's part.