Lore Questions

I made post reviewing the game and in it I ending up calling the lore meh, but people weren't too happy about that so I want to ask a few questions incase I'm missing anything.

1. The olms moved to the dernel jungle to escape the dernic beast but later died from the eye. Is this true?

2. How many dimensions are there? I currently know of 6, maybe 8, dern, the overworld, the nether, slykar's realm, the light realm, death's realm, (maybe one for the demons), perhaps the void seen in that one silent expanse discovery, and the one you visit in the dark descent (which could also be a part of death's realm).

3. Did the olms die before or after humans got to wynn? edit: this was a dumb question to ask since i knew about the final discovery of the silent expanse before hand, im not sure why i put this here lol

4. How did the corruption get to skiens island?

5. Bak'al just went missing in his battle with bob, it isn't confirmed if hes dead or alive?

6. What the fuck is the 5th age?

7. Do the higher ups of gavel and wynn know about the eye?

8. When the lost miners lose their eyes and go to the safe space that the light prism gives them, then why do they grow on the trees and the eye is now able to see out of them? I thought the light prism is taking the soul of the miners and putting them in a safe space but it's also giving the eye more power, so why do the eyes of the miners grow on the trees?

9. In the secret discovery "Mining Cessation" what were the miners trying to protect the province from?

10. Was there any communication between the light realm and the olms?

11. in the silent expanse world discovery, portal to dern it states that the portal was only a myth, but since it was a myth it meant that others had seen it and got back to safety and told a few people. Is this true? other humans had seen the portal to dern and got back safely?

 

Just message TrapinchO - I'm sure he'll help you.

 

@TrapinchO
I'll try to answer some of this but I'm no lore expert.

1. It's unclear if there is a connection between the Dernel Jungle and Dern, so far I've heard they are connected by name.
2. As far as this goes, Idk but I can say that Dern is possibly on the same plane as Wynn.
3. Spoiler: This one is a spoiler for a Silent Expanse Ultimate Discovery you have been warned

   If you do the Ultimate Discovery for the Silent Expanse, you can see soon the Dernic Beast(I think) and Ba'kall talking about the failed invasion of Wynn and the intervention of Bob, which is within about 100ish years of the game's lore. The Ohm were really the first victims of the invasion by Ba'kall and the Dernic beast with Wynn being the next meaning the Ohm most likely existed at the same time as the humans. Also, Aledar does mention in the quest "A Journey Beyond" that the settlement was hundreds of years old and not a thousand which is how old the Nether Gate is.
4. I have no idea except it may have transported underground in a similar way to how the Corruption Crystals work or it could be Darkness, don't quote me on that.
5. Spoiler: Spoiler

   He is alive as far as I know of, he was the one that was given The Eye to be put in the Silent Expanse and getting rid of Ba'kall might be a stupid decision considering he is obviously high ranking amongst the ilk of Dern and is supremely loyal to the Dernic Beast.
6. If I'm guessing right, you found that on a Thanos Quest item called "The Golden Phoenix Feather of the 5th Age." As far as I know, it's probably there just to go with the flow of F sounds.
7. Most likely in Wynn as they are right next to the Silent Expanse and you join a group to explore the Silent Expanse in the quest "A Journey Beyond.". The people of Gavel probably don't care about the Eye that much especially with their own problems like the Darkness.
8. Idk
9. Probably the nasty scary monsters of the Silent Expanse.
10. Maybe if they have a spike from the realm of light right there. Might be an interesting turn of events if the Light has taken a few tricks from the Corruption on how it spreads.
11. Spoiler: Fantastic Voyage Quest

    Possible, if you have done "Fantastic Voyage," it has been thought that the portal there was a portal to Dern. If so, that puts the total number of people who have seen a portal to Dern to at least 3, Bob, Relend, and the player. As far as I know, everyone has made it back safely but we don't have Bob's whole encounter with it except some letters.

 

Obviously, everything lore-related is a spoiler, so be warned that there are a lot of facts about quests, discoveries and even a little bit of 1.20 involved in this post. I didn't answer those questions for which I couldn't find out more than what @Justice already answered.

Spoiler: Answers to the questions

No, it's not. There is no connection between the Olm and the Dernel Jungle (and also no connection between Dern and Dernel Jungle), the Olm went to Time Valley after they had to escape from SE. I don't think the eye has been a part of this, i the "timeless ruins" secret discovery, there is just a mysterious voice stating the Olm's couldn't survive there.

The overworld is one dimension, Realm of Light, the Nether and Dern are the counterparts of Wynn provinces on another dimension (explained really well in a remade 1.20 quest). The other ones you were speaking of, like Death's realm, Slykaar's realm and the Dark Descent one might not be directly connected to the general lore, each of those is only seen in a single quest so I don't know if they are supposed to be taken as a whole dimension like the Light realm, but I might be wrong.

According to multiple secret discoveries and signs on Skien's island, Skien himself was attacked in Troms by one of his own soldiers, supposedly a corrupted one. With that attack, he started to get mad. He was sent to that island with no escape, and in the time of that exile he got as mad as one could be. The spirit of the traitor who had originally made him mad always followed Skien and revived the dead soldiers on Skien's island as corrupted soldiers.

In Bak'al's final battle against Ragni, Bob has banned him from every city in Wynn, as seen in the "Wynn Plains Monument" discovery. Since with that he couldn't harm the Wynn province any further, he probably returned to the Dern Beast. Although he had never dealth with Gavel, you will see him returning in another remade 1.20 quest.

In "A Journey Beyond", the mission to discover the Silent Expanse is a very secret one, the NPCs you do the quest with mention several times that they don'w ant anything on the journey to get to the publicity. All three of the NPCs eventually die, nobody has ever left the SE alive (except for the Olm, but that was years ago). Because of that, even higher-ups might not know about SE at all, including the Eye and Dern.

Where does it say the eyes on the trees give The Eye extra power? Never heard of that.

Lutho citizens are not Olm people. The Olm have been gone for a long time, before miners started exploring the SE and settling in Lutho. Aledar makes it quite clear that the monolith comes from Gavel and the obelisk lore itself mentions it has been erected by the light. I haven't got any clue on how the obelisk is related to the people in Lutho, the lore itself is very vague in that point.

Both theories about Bob having encountered the Dern beast and the Fantastic Voyage realm being a part of Dern are, well, theories. Sadly, there is no piece of lore that mentions Dern yet, but in Llevigar's library, there has been a whole chapter about Dern. That show there definitely has been knowledge about Dern, it has just been removed from the world.

 

The main map is one dimension, the realm of light and Dern are in another, the nether might be with the realm of light and Dern or it might be one of its own, the void is between the main dimensions, the dark descent is probably just a flashback, and the rest don't really have enough info to know. The corrupted dungeons are some sort of alternate timelines found through a hole in space.

 

No.
As of 1.19 it is highly implied the Ancients are the Olm, yes and that they escaped from Dern and went mad because of the Eye.
However the lore is broken and inconsistent.

By some there are infinite realms. I can't really say much to that.

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@Blastbasher is our expert.
But from what I know a corrupted soldier brought it there.

Well, he certainly didn't die....
And corrupteds have the annoying habit of not dying permanently...

No one knows

No.
There are (to my knowledge) 2 groups with the knowledge. WynnExcavation and Order of the Grook.

Actually, good question.
It is a bit messy. (Blastbasher, what do you think?)

Have you ever been in SE?

Presumably not.

This is an interesting question.
We could assume that at least some miners saw it (didn't have to be close, it is quite big) and got out before sealing it there. But due to its nature I don't think anyone took them seriously - thus only myth.

Now reactions:

By many things, except the name (1.19)

No

Nope, see my point above

Nope

1st part: nope. You don't see a single olm in happier lutho
2nd part: no

1.19: Nope
1.20: Also nope, but more interesting

Nope.
Overworld is one realm, Nether is second one, RoL is third, Dern is fourth etc...
Also RoL and Dern are not counterparts of Wynn, only Nether (from these) is

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Not from Gavel, otherwise yes.

 

Why "nope"? I understood it like that from the secret discoveries.

With "dimension" I meant planes or layers; Nether, RoL and Dern are on the same plane.

Sorry, with "Wynn" I meant "Wynncraft".

Doesn't Aledar litteraly say "It reminds of of my time in Gavel"?

 

Ancient Signs.

Secret discoveries are not everything.

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Not Nether!

Nether was a realm like ours, except it was overriden by the Corruption

Then the sentence mekaes even less for me. Maybe I just misunderstood though.

He does, but that doesn't mean it is from Gavel. Especially when it is said it was made by RoL...

 

Oh okay, forgot about the (probable) connection to the ancients.

 

Remember, 1.19

 

But what is Wynn's realm of influence then? Sure, the nether was once a normal world, but I thought as it was the earliest land to get corrupted, it evolved into a realm of influence...

I just meant that the three influental realms were the counterpart of Wynncraft provinces, so Gavel, Wynn and SE

 

No. How it could evolve? The Corruption is mindles.

Nonsense.
Yes, Light is mostly in Gavel.
Yes, Darkness is mostly in SE.
Yes, there is a lot of Corruption in Wynn

No, they are not counterparts to them.

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Overworld is "Just another battleworld"

 

I took that part out of 1.20, it gets explained as such in one of the RoL quests there

 

Still nonsense.

These are not counterparts, but places where they are/have influence
(Yes, I saw 1.20 version)

 

The name isn't a connection. Dernel was named after needlr, not dern.

 

When you come in and ask questions about lore, and Trapincho just smacks everyone around,

"nope"

Just a general question about the lore being talked here, is there going to be a massive change of it after 1.20 comes out?

 

And at the same time I correct the errors. That is also an important part.

To my knowledge not "massive change" but rather "additions" and "somewhat-minor changes".

But I have to look (abuse ask @Blastbasher or @Matteo_Games to allow me to) at the quests and SD second time to be sure (you will know when I and those 2 are sure)

 

sure i didnt show all the SDs anyways
Lore wise most of the quests didn't change much except RoL questline which Blastbasher iirc already showed you

 

I feel that the quests are more related between each other, for example "From the Mountains" (and, as already mentioned, whole RoL questline). Some of Wynncraft's quest simply stand alone, and the remade ones have more reference to other pieces of the storyline.