Serious Wynncraft Is Becoming Tiring...

I didn't join to be drowned in 'basic mechanics everyone should know about Wynncraft.' I came to this community because of the appeal of a Minecraft RPG.

It's rather upsetting to me that the kinds of responses which I've been receiving on my recent posts all feel so condescending. More often than not, whenever I want to share something with this community, I check the responses to my posts only to see, "Okay, but (Proceeds to speak Enchantment Table)"

Isn't there something better you could be doing with your time than criticizing posts which I spend time thinking on? I'm feeling inclined to leave the community, and I've hardly played this game for half of a year.

This is more or less how a day of Wynncraft would go for me:
"I'll try Wynncraft again, might get some more progress on the quests."
"Oh, wow, these Mobs hit hard, maybe I'll ask for help on the forums later. Oh, right - they speak too much Enchantment Table for me, never mind."
"Okay, I just died. Again. (The game really loves to rub it in your face, too.) And now I'm on 7 SP - I think I'll stop for today, because there isn't a way around this, and asking for help from someone would be too much trouble for them."
"...Why am I playing this game again? Other games are clearly less complicated, more fun, and don't just make you lose everything you have for dying a few times."

I can't will myself to log back in again to repeat the grind of a process to leveling or do any of the quests, because they don't feel very rewarding. It's just not my pace to spend hours per day, grinding and going from place to place and being distracted by builds I could make which clearly won't help anyways.

I just want to be done with this game, but some part of me keeps wanting to try and have a non-criticized idea, make a small contribution. The impression I've been getting, frankly, is that nobody needs or wants it. I'm thinking of quitting, honestly - there's too much to keep track of for me, and it seems overwhelmingly difficult to learn everything which would make the game worth playing.

And the sad thing is that I know somebody will see this post, and simply say something like, "You want to leave? Then leave, because nobody ever wanted you here to begin with, scrub!" I can guess that people simply can't be bothered to put up with me, and I'm considering respecting their wish and leaving.

I'm too tired right now to really be mad at those people. I felt hollow, and came to Wynncraft in hopes of filling that void. I think it's complexities and community have only grown that void since...

You know what? Maybe don't respond or comment, because I know what kinds of negative responses I'll get. I'm not feeling up to fighting them today and being told to play the game which I've honestly grown to dislike...

Edit: I've been reading your replies to this, and I'm incredibly grateful for the support! I'll try and give the game another shot.

 

Read this before throwing it away as a useless, negative feedback content.

Please... read onwards, understand the game, and you will understand what they are saying.

You need a Challenge in games. If you didn't lose stuff for dying, why would you. not want to die?

don't worry about builds until level 90+

some of them aren't rewarding, if you learn which quests aren't rewarding, you don't do them on your next playthrough.

hm. I have been there honestly, however if you pull through the stretch of boring content, you get some very good quests, good rewards, and lots of other stuff.

who has ever said this? nobody has. Nobody wants you to leave, nobody wants you to stop playing, thats on your own terms. Its learning to accept feedback, and changing your views. i had alot of posts that many people didn't like, and got drowned out, its about learning what other people say, and not complaining about it, not being down from it, try and learn from mistakes, if people don't like the kind of posts your making, try and switch it up! You were doing great before, with class suggestions, and overall decent material. But then when you changed, people stopped liking it. So if you change again, even if your tired of making class material, maybe make something else? see something the game may like to change? maybe make a suggestion, its about going with the flow of the community if your goal is to make a good contribution.

the communities are nice, you just need to learn from them, like i said. If you don't accept feedback and yell and complain about it, your rating within the community grows lower, if you want to build yourself out of the pit of negative feedback, do what i suggested before!

and i am gonna respond, because you don't need to get negative feedback constantly, just, quoting back before again, get up from your pit, and start making different content if this means so much to you!
Here are some great posts if you ever need to know what and how to suggest content.
The Suggestion Guide (credit to @TrapinchO )
Overall Every Guide (credit to @ParkourTNT )
Making a good, detailed thread on the forums (credit to @LoveLusting )
(Sorry for the pings all the people who made these, i felt the need to give credit)

Anyways, don't beat yourself up over a few bad posts, and a few rough spots in wynn, get over them and proceed onwards! there is alot of good content in wynn, and the forums, you just need to understand it better.
If you ever feel the need with help in the Forums or Wynn, feel free to message me ingame, or through conversation on the forums.

 

I’m truly sorry this is your experience with the game, really.
(I know it sounds like a I’m-sorry-you-feel-that-way type thing but I really mean it)

I’ll be honest: classes are very very complex, mechanic wise, and it takes a lot to make one balanced and fair. Even then, people will have their grips with it. That’s how it goes with deep, game changing stuff like this. And I’ll super honest: I love the game, but I have no clue what half of it means. Stuff like percentages, damage stuff, item ids, balancing: I don’t know basically anything compared to a lot of people here, and from what you’ve said, you know a lot more than me when it comes to class balancing.

I genuinely don’t think most people mean to be condescending: I can’t speak for them, of course, but I think that they are really trying to help, and the more you learn from them the better and more accepted your ideas will be.

People criticize your posts because that’s what a community general suggestions section is for: it’s to get feedback from the community, and maybe even become fine tuned enough to become implemented into the game. They criticize to make it better, because most people love the game, and only want the best for it. It’s why there was so much harsh feedback with the Champion rank discussion, and that’s why there’s a feedback section in the beta section.

the game isn’t always easy. I spent actual, real life ages trying to beat Qira solo.
I lag every time I get to the cybel, and die and respawn across the map.
so many times in the game, I die, get frustrated, and have to take a deep breath to keep playing. Sometimes you need to step away and then come back.
The bridge, in Remember the Past: died, lost my best bow on my archer, at the time.
Jungle Fever: died to the golems, lost my best chestplate at the time.
But I came back, and finally beat it, every time. (Well uh li I’m still working on)

People like suggestions, even if they’re harsh about it. They like having community stuff becoming implemented, and it’s really amazing that you want to contribute to the game.

I think what many people are trying to say is, you learn so much by playing the game. There are things you learn, things that exist you might not have encountered yet, and there’s so much to it people want you to experience it before you try to change it, even if it is for the better. (Also as someone who very much dislikes change, sometimes people are just sharp and harsher with big changes.)

No one wants you to leave: on the contrary, they want you to stay, play the game, see all it has to offer, and we want you to enjoy it, because we enjoy the game.
Please don’t think that the community wants to drive you away; I really don’t think that’s anyone’s intention, in the slightest.

If you want to leave, that is your decision, and I cannot change it or influence it, but no one is trying to drive you away, and no one wants you to leave.

I really hope I don’t sound mean in this, I really feel horrible that you’ve been hit with the harsher side of the community. Please don’t feel discouraged, or like anyone hates you because no one does: I think what people are trying to say is they want you to finish the game because they want to see what you can make with full knowledge of the game.

I think, my best advice with criticism, is to not take it personally: because it’s not personal. It’s there to help you grow, and I think, even though it sounds hard and brutal, accepting it and implementing it into your suggestions could help. Suggestions, if implemented, change the game for everyone, and that’s really what makes people cautious. It’s not against you in the slightest, I promise. Look through any other thread; many of them have negative comments, concerns, or reasons why it wouldn’t work.

I’m really, truly sorry that this has happened for you, and no matter what you decide to do, I appreciate how you did try to leave an imprint on the game.

I hope you have a great new year, and this helped a bit. Please tell me if I’m being rude, it’s genuinely not my intention and I really do feel awful.

 

I'm not an expert on what you're feeling right now, and I don't want to talk it down. My advice is: just play some other games for a while. Do other stuff. Keep your mind off of things. If you're in a bad mindset now, then you won't be later. Hope it helps.

 

Hey. I hardly know you, and I have disagreed with some of your suggestions. However, you seem to genuinely enjoy taking time and effort into making these suggestions- don't let anyone get you down for it. I genuinely admire how much you seem to enjoy suggesting content at such an early level- heck, you even bought VIP for the server! I really appreciate and admire how much you care! Please, if you feel tired of wynn, take a break! 1.20 is just around the corner, and you can enjoy wynn once more when it drops! If you ever just want a friend to play with and help out, I'm a message away as well.

Just remember, there are people who appreciate the amount of dedication you have towards Wynncraft and the community, who cares if you're "low level".

Don't let a few people get you down. If you ever need to talk, message me here or on discord @ Flora#9277. I'll be here for you if you need me.

 

I've been in the same boat before and know that this kind of stuff is intimidating and I have been criticized for my ideas being really dumb. Don't let that discourage you from trying though, what matters is if you actually do listen to them as, for the most part, they probably do know a lot more about the game mechanics. I've seen long posts where they do the basic mechanics of class building. That may not seem good but really do listen to the people that are criticizing you and ask for resources that you can use to learn the game mechanics. It may take a bit and a few posts but after a while, results will start to speak for themselves and you will start to develop an understanding.

The thing I see right now is your at a point where you are learning but you aren't liking the results of your progress. It takes time to understand anything but what matters is that you put time and effort into learning from your mistakes and improving your next suggestion based off that and you definitely have. Take the time to chat with them more and ask what is wrong and what you can do to improve your understanding and suggestions, but, like I said, it will take time.

As far as game play is concerned, don't be concerned with the game mechanics and how it functions unless it truly interests you(which you do have an interest in them), sometimes all you need to do is make a thread asking for a build for this class at this level and you will generally get a response and a good build. Try not to get annoyed at the game as well, learn from what caused the last problem and look to see how it can be fixed. If it's human error, just see what you can do to fix it and if it's a bug in the game, post a thread in the Bug Report section of the forums. At times, it can be necessary to take a break from any game due to dying a lot but you can then come back later and try again.

I think the real take away from my post is real simple, look to see how you can learn and improve yourself and don't try to set high standards for yourself from the beginning as you will realize how frustrated you will get. When you do that, I can say things will look totally different.

Hope this helps and remember, no one is trying to be mean to you,
Justice

 

Sadly, this is how it is. I completely understand that the build stuff spunds like gibberish (it kinda does for me too), it is normal in class build community (sorry Atlas Inc...)
However they do not mean bad, those are just imprivements.

As others said, the discussions are there to provide feedback. Yes, it may be harsh at some points but generally others try to improve your suggestion.

You got a wrong impressions. Many players will help if you ask. If you ever need help, just ask and I will come if I can. I say it to almost all welcomes and I meant it, just ask.
Also I am propably the only person that would be glad to help with ??? btw.

Then I would recommend to slow down. Do not grind, explore the world, get to know the lore...

Once I had an amazing idea to contribute to Wynntils - /congr <player> command. All it did was do /msg <player> congratulations
As you might have expected, everyone hated it. It really hurt, I thought it really should be there.
As the time went I got it that it wouldn't be a great addition to it.

Not every idea is good. Don't take it personally, take it as an oppoturnity for improving your knowledge of the game. If you do not understand something, ask.

Honestly, I have no idea where did you get this from. Yes, your ideas might not be the best, but considering your level, they were great!
I hope you won't stop, I think you should make amazing contributions once you get to the endgame.


If you feel burnt out, the best thing is to take a break. Stop playing the game and suggesting for a while, play some forums games, chat with others, play other games, relax!
When you feel like you have a new motivation then join again.

 

Its sad to say, but its Quite true; A lot of players in this community have little to no respect for new/ignorant players. This community is quite weak in teaching others on how to play, get good, learn the physics and mechanics of the game without coming off as mean. I have had a lot of the same issues you had. My first 4-5 posts were continually degraded because I didn't know entirely what I was talking about. So yes, the community should 100% be more open to new people and teaching them how to actually play, make good forums posts, and be a good player. Regarding the "Condensing" messages, I know quite a few people who give their opinion but wont listen to others. And some people who can be extremely rude when giving their opinion. C o u g h c o u g h d w i c y c o u g h. All i can say Is find the people who are actually good people who will listen(a lot of em are in this post) and talk with them. Also i hate to say it, but yeah, you gotta play the game thru. Its much harder to talk on things you have heard second hand, instead of learning them yourself. Your posts are quite good and it would be a shame to lose yet another good poster. If it means anything you have my support :) +1

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your a psycho aint'cha xD

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Also, I help ppl as a job kek. I have a whole guild dedicated to helping players with anything. Check us out :D this

 

Well, if they are ignorant...

This should be done by the game, not community. And if you look at the Questions section, most people are good there. I think the problem isn't really in the community being toxic (although builds and guilds are debatable from what I heard) it is just that they do not ask.
But yes, there are toxic players and there always will be.

You would be suprised, but some people really say that about me, but I can assure you my psychologist didn't diagnose me this.

And unless the people I work with aren't idiots (or do not have many falls of the meteors) I do not really mind it.

 

You sound sad, you need cat.
*happy cat snuggles yay, feel better*
Sorry I can't write a paragraph for you...

 

I've played the game since pre-gavel (5-6 years ago) and recently got back into the game. IMO, the game was very grindy, repetitive, and frankly boring to be able to play on a consecutive basis without breaks. You were really limited to what you could do back then compare to now. Some people prefer the simplicy of Wynncraft before, while others enjoy how complex the game has gotten.

I held off on getting into Wynncraft for a long time until now because I was absolutely astonished by how many new features/items were introduced and was too lazy to learn it all. With that in mind, I really feel when you say "there's too much to keep track of" there really is. But, I gave it a second try because Wynn has grown so much in features and communities.

Like all communities, every one of them will have its flaws and highlights. There will be bad people who do not care about new players, helping others, etc--but that only means good players have to exist. You can't have bad players without good players! You just have to know where to look and give it some time! :)

 

Hmmm, what should I say. It true. It's very difficult to come along in the game if you don't understand the mechanics. I remember my first playthrough where I literally had no knowledge about the Defence stats, Elemental Weaknesses and Defences or negative Regeneration. I just used everything as equipment what I got, adjusted the skillpoints so I could use the gear. I came along a long time, died a few times but nothing impossible. The first time I was almost driven to insanity was Corrupter of Worlds. I somehow managed to trap and kill him, and so I continued and learned nothing new. I got away. Until I had to fight Amadel...
Because of his High defence towards all elements was it almost impossible to defeat him, I did like no damage to him, while he was criting me out and his minions began to threeshot me as soon as I entere the room. I think I lequit died about 15 or 20 times, always trying to bring more potions and skillpotions to boost my stats, but always I was defeated.
After the last defeat I stopped playing for about a week. Then I came back, unsatisfied because of failing.
And then I took a look at the gear I was wearing. I started to get help from the wiki and experimented with different weapons, powders, etc...
The main issue was the weapon and the armor. I used o play my Warrior to spellheavy, my Weapon did almost no neutral damage. The armor gave me negative mana regen and I had about -400 defence in thunder. About then I understood that negative values will not only slow down the process, but rather that the negative defence adds additional damage on top of the certain element damage.
The Wiki helped a lot and in the end, Amadel might have killed me a lot of times, but I learned so much from this obstacle.
To understand all the process of the stats takes a long time to learn and you will be misslead a lot of times. Even after 2 years of Wynn, I would say, I'm only midexperienced.

 

Right, so considering my replies to a lot of post can come off as mechanics or enchantment table. I'll shoot.

I want to start off by saying, for myself, and others (Not all, but most) are very protective over Wynncraft. We've (2014 gang) watched the server grow, lore get added, removed, edited. We've also seen mistakes get made like gavel. Thousands of dollars have been given, millions of hours, trail run after trail run have been tested and we just don't want to see it all get ripped away.

With that in mind (more so to show we are coming from a place of trying to do something good and might be going at it the wrong way. Not that we hate you.) people talk enchantment table on the suggestions, not just yours to either present a problem (and they want your solution to x problem to show you've thought through it) or they are informing you it can't work because X.

I don't want to just tell you, "No IdEa DuMb." Instead, I'd rather tell you why in it's current form it can't work and then we together can find a way to make it work.

Just ask people. I don't mean this rudely either, get in on the discord, DM people on forms for their discord if they're willing and then ask when they're free. Out of the thousands of player someone is sure to stand in front of you and take the beating. Heck I'll do it, gotta get some farming done anyway

Focusing back on the enchant table, if you don't want to understand/can't/just not that important too you, just ask for a tl;dr and most people will break it down for you. I try to add one at times, but it's hard to tell when I need one.

People respond for three reasons, generally.

1. To Improve the quality of your suggestion - feedback and ideas so you can learn for the next time. I've made plenty of horrid suggestions. Just down right trash, but I got better
2. They really love the idea, and want to grow, but they know something about the game or mechanic and want to inform you on so you can edit/changelog the suggestion.
3. They disagree with your suggestion and want to explain/show why it shouldn't be added to the game: a lore reason, mechanics, etc etc.


I am sorry that some things have come off as rude, or attacking, but minus some people, most of us aren't trying to do that. We want the same thing, for the game to improve and to finally get mythics.
But yes, I saw this post and wanted to throw in my apology because I don't want to be the reason someone quits a game that, while being really annoying at times, can be very fun.

 

Personally I really liked your suggestions in the sense that they were unique and interesting. You clearly put a lot of work into them and you came up with ideas I have never seen before. You have gone into topics that people can get a little more toxic over, those being suggestions and opinions. Don't let this stop you from playing the game and enjoying the good part of the community.

People aren't going to get mad at you for asking for help, those who do have their own issues.