Info Item Team Thread - Item/ingredient/major Id Changes, Updates & More

no, we don't. tenuto is locked behind TWO elements. that walls etw, eta, twa, wfa, ewf, ewa, efa, and some quads. which is a lot of unique, diverse builds locked out of easy -tier. atlas is beautiful in part because of it's lack of reqs.

edit: looking back on this it kind of seems like i am mad about atlas nerf, which i am very much not. i think atlas was too strong and dominant for a reqless bracelet, but i really liked how it enabled a lot of diverse playstyles by having no reqs. mana and ls nerf are good. tier nerf would be bad.

 

yeah yeah glorify the busted twf meta even more so of course

 

In my ideal world, there'd be more -tier options than atlas, tenuto, momentum, aphotic and heavy melee items

 

We need a -1K tiers item

 

lunar and stinger :D

 

When divzer was nerfed:

"Divzer:

Neutral Damage: 41-43 -> 54-56

Life Steal: 973 -> 803 -> 973
Mana Steal: 6 -> 4 -> 6
Defense Points: 0 -> -73
Raw Melee Damage: 342 -> 727
Attack Speed Bonus: 1 -> 3
[Blame Atlas and other sundry heavy melee items. I do, at least.]"

List of nerfs on all the items that made divzer op previously:
Atlas destroyed
Nighthawk destroyed [hawkeye]
Sine nerfed
Tenuto nerfed
Dhydro destroyed

we can't blame atlas anymore
who do we blame now

can we just have out heavily nerfed non fast hybrid divzer back
it kind of still works in twf if you don't use nighthawk and just stack defense sp for no dps/spellcost but we still have to deal with the +3 tiers too
i feel like the item team doesn't like spellsteal anymore

 

they did the riot approach of nerfing the champion because of busted items then nerfing the items as well
(partially a joke)


The atlas nerf isn't really a nerf, look at it, the tiers are still there, it's still the great enabler.


Anyway there has to be a better way to deal with TF-involved tris' power level,,

 

Atlas basically only lost 2 ms and some ls.
Hawkeye will still increase your spell dps by a lot.
Sine only lost some hp and dmg, you usually use it for the sp.
Tenuto only lost 4% spell dmg and 2 sp.
Dhydro necklace only lost 5 int.

 

"Only 2ms and some ls" lol
hawkeye is not nearly as good anymore, its a 33% dmg nerf + a speed/range nerf and it's losing raw spell, while it fills an incredibly valuable helmet slot and locks you out of having actual defense via sparkweaver/cancer(?)

the other nerfs don't make the items unusable, but the point is that nearly every part of the archetype is getting nerfed individually, yet the justification for the divzer nerf alone was that the archetype was too strong

 

How's it a speed/range nerf? It still takes a quarter of the time to conclude compared to a normal arrow storm, meaning if you've got the mana you can launch three or four in the time it takes for a normal arrow storm to conclude(an effective doubling), and its range is only coming down to the normal range of Arrow Storm instead of being double the range, along with the fact you can use it without knocking enemies you want to slam back too far because you're shooting so many less arrows at it, meaning they take less knockback. It's far more reliable, even if one cast "only" deals 400% damage on the highest base-damage class in the game.

 

Not compared to arrow storm range/speed, compared to previous nighthawk range/speed.

Of course, nighthawk in 1.19 was completely busted and absolutely needs the nerf. But part of the reason divzer was so busted was because nighthawk enabled it. While nighthawk helps all bows, divzer gets(got) the most out of it. Nighthawk let you turn divzer's massive mana and high base dmg into extra fast spellcasting, converting normally excess mana into dps.

Now by building divzer for spellsteal you end up with way less tankiness than other bows, and in trying to cancel divzer's extra tiers while still equipping nighthawk you probably end up sacraficing mana (especially with atlas nerf). With the reduction in nighthawk damage and speed you lose a lot of the bonus from your otherwise extra mana, and the archetype nerfs give you a smaller surplus.

I just think divzer's -defense even after revision and the forced +tiers are too negative for what you get compared to builds with other bows, many of which are viable now without nighthawk. I still think the biggest offender is freedom, which for some reason gets huge mana, dps, and survivability, but I'd rather just see divzer get nerfed differently. Especially given what I've heard about raids requiring a relatively defensive and survivable playstyle to clear consistently, I think divzer is going to really suffer in the 1.20 meta.

 

while i haven't done a lot of building with post-change divzer, nor have i experienced changed nighthawk, i think now is a good time to mention that just because wynndata uses max rolls doesn't mean you will always have them.

now that atlas mana is an unrollable stat, it will be a lot easier to get atlas with a low tier roll a pretty good life steal.

 

it probably still is. medeis and cchain are still untouched so far, and twf is getting both cancer and pro tempore in 1.20.

it's true that sine's main role in twx is sp, but it was op primarily because it could unwarrantedly boost damage even further whilst keeping respectable hp. the nerf to sine lessens its impact as a direct catch-all to divzer builds, even if its main function remains present.

 

As I've brought up in my divzer thread, it's more roll dependent now. To do spellsteal you need a combo of a good low +tier roll on divzer and good low -tier rolls on your armor/accessories. If your good divzer gets a new stat added on with a bad tier roll, it may be unusable in spellsteal builds compared to other divzers without sacraficing something else to build around it.

Also atlas losing 2ms just means that the ms roll on divzer is more important.

 

RIP my godly atlas. Wish I'd sold you before this happened.

 

:D

 

I think the hadal nerf is nice, but out of touch with the problems as to why hadal is fucking awful.

 

buf*

 

I quit league because S11 was cancer and now play wynn but y'all use league references well so I'll give it a pass.

 

I'm alright with the Atlas nerf, but not really a huge fan, because fundamentally Atlas is a -tiers spellsteal bracelet that happens to have lifesteal - feels like it would make more sense for the lifesteal to go entirely, rather than it just sitting there being a lifesteal bracelet for no real reason (except for pre-spellsteal design concepts).