Hey, Why Wasn't There A Rollback? ( Massive Dupe Issue Discussion )

I think that mythic supply can probably stabilize itself within a month (with so many mythics being found constantly). IF the LE problem is fixed and people gain enough confidence to start selling their mythics then the issue of supply shouldn't be a huge problem.

 

I'm not even a proffer, i was warring this dxp weekend >_>

No, but a week's worth of grinding is NOT comparable to time spent gaining wealth with the example used being lootrunning

 

Yes, because we're in a time of extreme volatility right now. The markets are going to take time to recover, that's just how it is. Also, as I said before you increase supply by lootrunning, the same as supply would increase given any other circumstances. That's exactly I suggested getting in some runs now, because if you can sell when prices are high you might be able to actually make a lot of legit money.

 

At this point, manually tracking down and banning dupers, while taking wayyyyyyy too much time and not being completely reliable, would probably be a preferable option (if it's possible) to completely rolling back the server.

 

With so much of the money in circulation being duped, you shouldn't sell anything right now because that money could be deleted by the mods.

 

Never said you were a profer, I suggested you were a lootrunner.

Also, that's a nice opinion but I disagree, so have a field day with that I guess.

 

Yeah I think if you value your in game money that much that your willing to delete people’s time to keep the status quo that you like, than yeah you need to go outside

 

Yeah, which is why I said it's volatile right now. Markets aren't going to start recovery until people have gained confidence in currency again and that's not going to happen until the duped money situation is handled. Not saying it's going to be a quick thing, but the markets will recover eventually. That is and always has been my point.

 

I think that lrunners have spent more time getting that money than the 5 days that would be lost...

 

Yes i do admit i messed up a little there, i sometimes get ahead of myself and type the wrong thing.

But, it does seem that you as an individual are using your inherent bias in this, i mean, you're a proffer, right? lvl 100+ in every prof on at least one class. I'd argue that your opinion is even easier to disagree with just because of how easy it is to prove bias, meanwhile i have less than 1k chests & only lvl 76 fishing.


If you're going to spout opinions, you could be as kind to fully assess the situation before automatically jumping to whatever benefits YOU personally.

 

Exactly, there's no one solution to this problem. If there were, the team would have already done it. Let's stop the name calling and the high horsing.

 

I mean I haven’t loot ran in several months because I got rich enough I had everything I want in Wynn, but your wealth before now was essentially 0 because it takes weeks to move mythics unless all your wealth was in le, and loot runners like I said before aren’t the entirety of wynns community, but making the most complaints about There money being gone just saying

 

Of course I have a bias, which is why I clearly stated that what I said was my opinion and I didn't veil my bias in the notion that everyone who disagrees with me is selfish. My issue with what you said has nothing to do with the fact that you want a rollback and everything to do with the fact that you said people who disagreed were selfish. You chose to play this game, not me.

"If you're going to spout opinions, you could be as kind to fully assess the situation before automatically jumping to whatever benefits YOU personally."
I've been writing about the economic implications of this all morning, in fact, I'm one of the only people here who have been looking at the long run and not freaking out that there are issues now. If you would like to bring forward an economic model or theory grounded in reality to show why we need a rollback, be my guest, In fact I would love to see an informed and differing view, but if not then you should say that to yourself, not me.

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Just so we're all on the same page, saying "I want a rollback" or "Prices are bad right now, that's why I want a rollback" are not arguments to support a rollback, they're arguments from a conclusion. Unless you can make a (preferably strong) argument for how this will damage the economy in a way that can't be repaired outside of a rollback you're not helping anything.

 

Yes, because 3/4 of the people who dont want a rollback talk about the progress THEY made this week, how they don't want to lose it and how it wastes their time. Looking in the long run tells us that, WE NEED A ROLLBACK. This is going to fuck over our economy, people's reasonings against it just being that they don't want to lose progress isn't good enough to mess up the economy even further for.

And frankly, i don't think I should be saying that to myself at all, frankly whatever happens, I don't lose from a rollback, but i also gain nothing due to having about 3EB to my name currently. I warred all week, that wouldnt be effected by a rollback.

And, just a note. People don't have to be excellently versed in economies to have a valid argument here, we're all allowed a stake.

 

Throwing in my two worthless two cents, I grinded my assassin from like level 90 to 106 and my mage from 60 to 100. Losing all of that xp would be crushing. If there's a way to roll back but also keep player levels, then I'm all for it. But I'm not sure if that's even possible. Personally, I would hate if a roll back happened but I can see the necessity of it.

 

I did Economics (but not at University!) so I at least should know these core words. But perhaps I was wrong so thanks for showing me. I'm not sure how only a few people having ridiculous amounts of money (at the moment) would fit into the equation if at all but that would be interesting to see

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I think this sums up the debate chaps

 

I don't want a rollback because it doesn't solve my main issue which is the lack of communication from the dev team and from the economics I was taught in university I believe the market in Wynn can return to normal. Stop strawmaning other peoples arguments when trying to talk to me and actually address my concerns if you want me to take yours seriously.

Also, you actually do need to know what you're talking about to be part of a discussion on economics, economics aren't an opinion thing, they're a fact thing and if you don't have any to support your side then you're wrong, it's real simple stuff. If the economy can fix itself, a rollback is a negative with no positive in return. If not, a rollback might be needed. We need the facts on what the long run of this economy will look like to determine what we need to do now and unsubstantiated opinions alone aren't helpful in figuring that out. It's fine to have an opinion in general, but it isn't useful to make that the basis for a pro rollback argument. Tell me why you hold that opinion, not that you have it and we might be able to figure out if your basis for holding that opinion is correct or flawed.

If you want to make an argument that the economy is screwed, you need to explain how it can't recover or that its recovery isn't going to happen in a positive way, otherwise you're not bringing anything new to the table.

 

I spun a godly Lament the day of the dupe and even I'm in support of a rollback this late into the issue. I don't believe mods/devs have a method of distinguishing real from duped LE since it's a mass-server generated, stackable item. LE most likely has no unique ID that would allow it to be easily traced or blacklisted from the player's inventory. They're most likely using logs of market transactions and P2P trading to manually seek out players with duped LE. This rollback should have happened the DAY OF THE DUPE though, not 5 days after the fact. Not only that, but the day after the dupe, servers should have been entirely shut down to prevent P2P trading of duped LE, not just market.

 

Honestly we should all come together and get rid of the trade market

 

Not liking because I agree, but because I like hearing a new take on the situation. Maybe purging the TM for a while could be a good thing for everyone...

Prices would be raised from that, so I really don't think it'll help much, but maybe it could help make some stability for the next couple weeks or something to give the TM some time to recover.

Purging all items from the trademarket and maybe removing mythics from the TM for a while could also be a good idea too, though again I would need to think about that too. Just spitballing ideas here.