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yeah i was joking because literally other people have it and its not just you, probs should've made it more clear

 

Gotcha, lol

 

To be fair, doubling the team might double the content, but if it is as mediocre as the dungeons update and specially the recent balance patches, I doubt they are going anywhere
Reminder that they fucking failed at balancing 3 weapons, I genuinely don't know how they manage to mess up balancing Frozen Scythe, Bonzo's Staff and Dreadlord, it feels like they haven't tested that patch at all
Before even thinking about doubling their development team, they should really think about testing their stuff, because that one patch was definitely not tested

On top of that, they don't even know what their game wants to be, dungeons feels like a completely different game from their Skyblock, and even their Skyblock feels completely different from what Skyblock actually is, and Slayers are just Monster Hunter but bad, they also want gameplay diversity (multiple classes) yet they keep nerfing everything that is remotely strong to the point it is useless

I could rant about Skyblock's huge design flaws for hours honestly, I have way too many issues with the game and they just don't do anything to fix them, people told them that the issue with mage was a lack of fragility and mana being almost pointless because of how absurdly fast you regenerate it, and instead of reverting the changes to mage weapons they just decided to NERF THEIR DAMAGE EVEN MORE BY ADDING MAGICAL RESISTANCE, they are clearly not listening to feedback at all and they just don't care
Doubling their production quantity won't change anything if they don't do anything about quality, and they clearly don't give a flying fuck about it, if they really did, they would definitely not release such poor balance patches as the mage weapons ones...
If you want me to explain what the issue with that patch is, as a dungeons mage main, I shall explain it

Spoiler: Why the mage weapons changes were a terrible decision

Ok so let me put these 3 weapons which got changed:
Frozen Scythe - Averages 15 million coins in AH, with full wise it would deal an average of 25k damage per ice bolt, costs 50 mana to cast
Bonzo Staff - Averages 5 million coins in AH, with full wise it would deal an average of 15k damage per balloon, costs 60 mana to cast
Dreadlord Sword - Rare variation averages 200k coins in AH, Epic variation averages 1 million coins AH, with full wise it would deal an average of 5k damage per skull, costs 40 mana to use, 3 seconds cooldown

Then one day they decided to do these changes:
Frozen Scythe, with full wise it would deal 10k damage per ice bolt, costs 50 mana to cast
Bonzo Staff, with full wise it would deal 6k damage per balloon, costs 60 mana to cast
Dreadlord Sword (epic variation, rare variation is about 75% of this), with full wise it would deal 16k damage per skull, costs 40 mana to cast and no longer has cooldown

What they did was basically make the 15 million coins weapon deal 2/5 its previous damage, the 5 million coins weapon deal about a third of its old damage and then make the 1 million coins weapon deal 6 times its original damage, no longer have cooldown, cost less mana than the other two weapons and on top of that have better wand beam damage due to high melee damage, and to add salt to the wound, its AoE is better than Bonzo's
They grabbed the reasonably worst weapon due to cost and omega buffed it to a point where it puts the other two to absolute shame
They shifted the meta from the most expensive weapon dealing a reasonably high amount of damage for its cost to the cheapest and easy af to get weapon deal a ridiculous amount of damage for its cost
They tried nerfing mage and instead all they did was reverse the tier list, and I refuse to believe this was tested, there is no way in hell this got approved after being tested, a weapon as easy to get as Dreadlord Sword should not be as absurd as it currently is, and a weapon as expensive as Frozen Staff is should not be this absurdly weak, it got nerfed to the point it cannot one-shot zealots
There is no way this patch was tested at all

After this last update, I'm just ready to boycott Hypixel, they have proven everything I had been thinking during the past year with their latest updates, and bringing more money in so they can release more content just won't do anything if they don't care about quality

 

the level scaling is utter garbage as well
level 5 dungeons feel as though they were programmed for endgame players (which they were)
plus I have yet to find a reliable source of money on the server.

 

Just farm potatoes, it worked for Technoblade

 

Yeah, and it costed him his youtube upload rate for the half a year the potato war lasted

 

This is kinda making me worried about what Hytale will be like, it's got a different team than Hypixel's I believe but this here doesn't really inspire confidence

 

I quit SB after like a week (not even) because of the grind and came back here after a year. I don't have the time for it and I apparently have a life. But ofc I'll run to an MMO and waste my life there (*cough cough* Warcraft *cough*)

 

Classic or Modern?

 

Modern. I'm too young to have ever played classic so I'm not interested in it.

 

So am I, but having played both, classic is frankly better.

 

utter confusion

 

Hey so, the skyblock update isn't really pay to win.

First, the most blatant part: buying cookies then reselling to bazaar. While yes, this is "pay to win", the rates are dogshit and they won't have an effect on anything. If someone decides, hey I really want to pay hypixel 200 fucking dollars for a superior set, I have no objections. If someone has to pay that much money to get any advantage at all, then the paying system to get coins is not oppressive enough to cause issues.

Next, the "boosts" that paying players get. Cookies give a large amount of xp and magic find bonuses, yes, but any non paying player can just buy them from the bazaar. They aren't even expensive. All players get free bonuses from community shop place anyways, and the only benefits paying players get in this field are a few tiers of QoL upgrades.

Finally, the money coming from this oh-so-bad "pay-to-win" system is going into paying 6 new devs and 5 new builders, dedicated specifically to Skyblock. In the end, the paying bonuses will have no real negative impact on anything at all, and everyone gets more content, and people like you can stop whining about "pay to win".

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hey if you didn't realize everyone can get booster cookies, they only cost 1mil coins which can be easily farmed in an hour. with cookies lasting 4 real life days, where is the massive advantage?

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mage was a shithole either way. and how does a bad balance patch have to do with the new update OP was talking about? Every game has bad balance patches, this is nowhere close to unique to skyblock.

 

You can't state that it's not pay to win, and then admittedly start naming in-game benefits you get for paying.
I don't care how much money you need to spend to get benefit if you can spend money and get benefits then it IS pay to win.
You can't even argue about that, there are no ifs and or buts, that's quite literally what the term "Pay to win" means.
When making an argument don't admit your argument is wrong within a few seconds, but with a "but" at the end, well it isn't very convincing, you just kind of come off as somewhat... Well ignorant.

Also you

 

I love Hypixel Skyblock for it's creativity (where else do you see Tarantula Boots and Revenant Horrors?), and despise it for how grindy it is.

They packed a load and a half into Skyblock, especially concerning unique concepts. They really suck at designing proper progression, but they gave us a bunch of cool stuff to sink our teeth into, besides that issue.

I love Wynncraft for it's massive, explorable world, and I hate it (to a very short extent) for constantly hitting my Archer's head against a Barrier Block every two seconds. Also, more Skills per Class, please - I'm kinda sick of only having a 'Thohthohthock,' a 'Boing,' a 'Boom,' and a 'No.'

Wynncraft's massive, and I kinda like just getting lost, and coming back to Detlas with an armful of cool boxes to crack open and a full sack of ingredients. It gives me a feeling of collecting stuff, and a sense of discovery.

Hypixel Skyblock's got a few big problems, and Wynncraft's likely got a several dozen small ones somewhere in the closet. But I still play Wynncraft more than I play Skyblock.

Which one's better? It honestly depends on the person you ask, really...

 

I remember the days when wynncraft used to be fun...And not a constant grind for LE




(Mostly kidding...mostly)

 

wow cool,
my point was literally it isnt worth it to pay directly to get coins and the other benefits are not game-changing. nothing even close to the degree of what OP implied.

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sorry if i didnt phrase it properly enough to your liking

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let me rephrase the whole thing without contradictions then

the update adds a small bit of p2w into skyblock, but it will have little effect on the actual game and isn't oppressive the way mobile p2w is, as paying "directly" for coins with cookies and bazaar is not worth the stupidly high price and you can get almost everything else completely f2p. there will be no mass exodus of skyblock players just because some paying players got some more cosmetics or a larger island, especially when everyone benefits hugely from this update anyways.

happy now?

 

I haven't heard of any games of actual decent quality that have had this level of catastrophic balance patches
Don't even try saying that Wynn messed up balancing some items because Wynn has like 40 items of each type in end-game, that is obviously going to be hard to balance
Balancing 3 weapons with insane cost differences and literally the same concepts (spamming a projectile that pierces/explodes and deals a moderately big amount of damage) is not hard, it is not that hard to balance 3 progression steps of literally the same concept

Buy 40 cookies, get 40M coins, go from lapis armor to dragon armor and AoTD in a day
If that is not skipping 70% of the game's progression and being blatantly overpowered, I don't know what is
And don't say you can obtain all of that quickly because at that point you should have like 40k coins, not 40M
It doesn't look overpowered if you are very far in the game already, but it is absolutely busted if you look at it from a new player's perspective, what might take a week or even a month of progression without already being super duper into the game can be skipped by giving them 30€
Also it is overpowered even in end-game because of bits, reminder that you can get extra minion slots with that and it can go up to 5, 5 minion slots can be an absolute game-changer

Oh and by the way, I totally agree that Mage is a shithole, but once again Hypixel has proven since Dungeons released that not only do they refuse to work with anything but 1.8 basic PvP, they don't want to rework content at all even though pretty much 80% of the content could use rework
If berserker isn't the best class, Hypixel and its community wont be happy, if Mage or Archer dares to even surpass that class minimally in power in literally anything, it is a completely overpowered class that needs nerf, and even then they fail at nerfing because all they did was flip the dungeons early-game viable mage weapons in the tier list
Mage would be fixed by just reverting all mage weapon nerfs and making their mana cost way higher, Mage has mana for a reason, and currently mana is almost endless, and you also regenerate it very quickly, it also lacks fragility (And I agree, the only thing that actually tends to kill me in dungeons are crypt lurkers), but hey, the issue is damage apparently, not fragility and the fact that unlimited mana is very easy to achieve, it is not like almost everyone unanimously agreed back when the nerfs happened about what Mage's issues actually were

My issue isn't that it ruined the game, my issue is that they don't deserve the money in the first place, the game is a mess and has way too many issues, specially balance issues, and they want to double the amount of content
I don't want more content, I want quality, I'm fine with waiting a full year if they release a Silent Expanse, I'm not fine with waiting a full year if they release 20% of what dungeons are supposed to be and on top of that break promises in the way ("Dungeons will be for all stages of the game" my ass, the first dungeon floor is already brutal if you aren't at the dragon armor stage)
My issue is not entirely that the game now has P2W, my issue is that they are breaking promises and they aren't delivering on quality and quantity at all, and they want us to throw money at them
I'll come back when they finally start delivering on quality and quantity, but currently, they don't deserve the money

 

damn i kinda think this thread is getting out of control, can a mod either just like lock or move it to other games

 

with the mage "balance" patch, I agree, that is a fair point. still, I don't think a bad balance patch really proves anything. go look at any game with balances and youll see some of the most garbage stuff lol.

At this point in skyblock you can go from lapis armor to dragon armor/aotd in a day with AH flip anyways, as unstable is like 500k for a set and aotd is 2.8 mil bin last i checked. if 70% of the games progression is getting 3 million coins... people in unstable are literally called unstable nons. even strong drag, one of the best drag armor, is like 3.5-4mil for a set, which does not take long to grind.

I expect cookie price to fall even more in the coming weeks, down to where i think they bottomed it at 500k. a 500k cookie price is 4$ per mil; your "40 mil coin all progression skip" would not only ruin the game experience for the player, but it would cost 160$ along the way
I think that for a game's "p2w system" to be bad, it has to be oppressive and actively pushed on the player. If paying will ruin your game experience + cost a fuckload of money, I honestly don't see the problem.

i mean mage was kinda op though. they went about the nerf really badly but you would be insane to say that a nerf wasn't needed lol

the players won't be happy waiting a year, even with the update once every few months people complain so much about "hurr hurr slow updates". I could say the same thing about Wynn, with its endless early-midgame fetch quests. I would be fine with waiting a year just so they remade the 50 fetch quests. The "dragon armor stage" is literally earlygame, 500k for unstable set is so fucking easy to get now