Regarding Pure

I would like to point out to things. Pure is one of those weapons that scales super well with the player as they level. Like at level 65 its really damn good but then at level 100 its still really damn good because of all the new gear you can use with it. Similarly are weapons like aftershock and wallbreaker.
Another downside is lament in it's current state is just kinda bad...and then nepta and morrow are also really good for legendaries leaving pure as the only real water spell option in the line of mythics. Also while yes the dps is insane I would like to note that pure lacks a powder special (which even tho curse/courage doesn't make the dps of pure and other mythics even it helps.) which makes the dps not as insane as it seems at times.
Also can we get entropy on lunar pls... and yes pure is amazing and I need one.

 

Has the system of elemental defense changed?
As far as I remember, if the enemy has an elemental defense, it will receive less damage relative to the basic attack damage of the weapon. if the system hasn't changed, that build doesn't damage a high-level boss much. (like qira, li , eo)

 

thats not how it works...

Certain mythics require other equipment (stats) in order to work better to reach their full potential. You can't just slap 100 intel on every mythic wand and say 'ah yes thats the average damage'.

 

If you're trying to explain that Pure needs is unbalanced, I'd probably argue against. Like said above, every item in the game requires different stats to reach it's full potential, and a lot of weapons don't have their main focus around Meteor. I think Pure is an extremely well designed item. Mythic items should be strong, unique, and special. Pure scales extremely well, like said above, and I wish that all the low level mythic items were able to do that too. They are mythical after all.

I don't think the upcoming elemental changes make Pure any stronger than it currently is though. With my current build, which takes advantage of Mana Regen with Resurgence and Dragon's Eye Bracelet, rather than using Slayer, I'm able to cast 7 meteors and 3 ice snakes every four seconds. Which is about as fast as you can go per four seconds, just due to speed + 20 mana cap. That's 12k per meteor, which adds to about 21k per second, not including ice snake damage. With Slayer, you might be able to go for a full four seconds with only two ice snakes, but I don't think you're able to do it with just one, not at the fastest cast speed possible.

I don't think it's physically possible to get 40k DPS with Pure, simply because no armor has enough spell damage % or spell damage raw to support that. Unless you have bionic fingers, you can not move your fingers that fast, and trust me, I can move my fingers extremely fast (thank you osu!taiko). The only way Pure is able to reach 12k meteors is through spell damage raw and it's 5x multiplier to meteor.
So in the end, Pure is strong. Entropy is strong. It should be strong, it's a Mythic. Overpowered? I don't really think so, to be honest.
Here's my current build. https://wynndata.tk/s/gm6tv4

Edit: I cycle Meteor, Meteor, Ice Snake. I can Cycle Meteor, Meteor, Meteor, Ice Snake to get 9 Meteors/4 seconds, and that still only amounts to about 27k Dps. Due to 2 mana meteors, I do basically just sit for the last half second before mana regen tick. So I can see you getting 30k dps with some sort of slayer build, but I can't see much more than that.
Because I use basically all of my mana with perfect timing, when the tick hits, it puts me back at 16 instead of the full 20, so you'd need to have mana regen and raw spell to support this too-

 

Remember that at level 65 it is absurdly difficult to get high intel and mana regen without becoming a papier-mâché soldier. At higher levels, is it possible to get insane dps though? Sorta. You can definitely get pretty good damage, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a build that can do high dps and still is fairly survivable, as you need to get a LOT of mana regen/steal to keep up with the demand of meteors; remember, your mana regen at the same speed, so you'll need ~3x the mana regen to keep up. Also because of the +spell cost, you'd need more than usual or something to mitigate that like slayer (which costs a lot, had dig downsides and cuts into mana regen). Also, due to the way pure's damage is set up, it's much harder to boost the damage with the rest of the build, as even a 50% bonus only increases damage by a small amount. Honestly, pure has some of my favorite design of any weapon because it's viable both at-level and endgame.

 

pure is absolutely broken at level, idk how there's even an argument there
does twice the damage of ethereal and that's not even counting entropy
at level 75 you can just use morph stuff, whatever mana regen helm and dragon eye bracelet and have 2 mana meteors with like 6 mana regen + pures mana steal

i wouldn't want it to be nerfed though, i find the concept of 7/1,000,000 items being useless in an endgame scenario to be quite awful

 

Ethereal is not nearly as strong as people like to claim it is, it's just somehow become the good lvl 70 weapon so now people use it as a benchmark for no reason.

 

if there's a superior weapon within the 65-75~ wand range that's better used as comparison fodder than ethereal i'm down to hear, i skimmed the 65-75 wands on wynndata and nothing in particular jumped out at me

regardless, this isn't contradictory to my point that pure is absolutely stupid at level

 

people now notice how op pure is smh

also stacking raw spell is better than % damage

 

Isn't this really late?

I thought everyone knew the power of pure (Spoiler: it's very strong and obviously so)
I forgot how disconnected the average player is from class building

I should have realized after someone thought that anvil crawler heavy melee was cool and original even though it was/is widely regarded as optimal and meta...


Anyway have what I think is objectively the best pure build https://www.wynndata.tk/s/n0lr92

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You should make a better build, pure really needs 1 mana meteor. 10k with 1 cost > your damage with 2 cost. (also not nearly enough crafted abuse, since you're abusing already why not go all the way)

 

Honestly, I'd look into making a Slayer build, but I have a strong bias against Agility and a strong bias for Defense. Just a consistency thing, I suppose. I may still look into it for the future, of course, and would be fun to mess around with, regardless. I can do all the game's content alone with this though, so it's good enough for now. Can definitely do more min-maxing, for sure

 

Hate that excuse, since you can do all the game's content alone with morph.

I can respect the rest of your comment though (I also prefer def)

 

Because it used to be insane. I used it until level 90ish because nothing could compete with it at the time.

 

Your elemental defense factoring is wrong. %s have always been multiplied onto base damage before elemental defense subtracts. If it didn't, The Specialist would be absolutely busted as a weakness abuse secondary.

 

ah the good old days when warrior could take 0 elemental damage

 

Thank you for your detailed explanation. what I remember is that I couldn't beat qira with freedom.

 

There are a lot of things wrong with this thread; I'll start here.

The meteor numbers are way off; it looks like you got some of them (i.e. fatal) by plugging the wand into an empty wynndata build, added your int, and looked at meteor but without using powders!
This also fails to account for a normal build's skill point allocation: monster isn't going to be in a build with just defense (and int); usually it's going to have dex or str too. To simulate a normal build environment, it's a good idea to assign an equal amount of offensive and element matching skill points to compare damage (or just offensive if it's an offensive element weapon i.e. fatal just gets dex to look at dmg).

I gave each weapon 100 skill points in dex if it didn't already have points in dex or str:

Pure: 6.5k meteor
Lament: 8.3k meteor
Monster: 9.3k meteor
Fatal: 13.7k meteor
Gaia: 7.1k meteor
Singu: 13.2k meteor (rainbow so it has some str and dex; this one's weird for sp)

Of course, it's impractical to have 100 offensive sp + 100 def for monster, considering that the build will also need int, but not assigning the dex ignores the effects of the defensive sp entirely.
Even if you ignore the sp allocation, just adding powders makes the meteor numbers much more accurate. It's pretty important, considering pure has 0 powder slots.

There are 2 main issues with building pure. First, entropy means that you get more damage by getting more meteors, but it also means you have to spend a lot more mana per 4 seconds. Especially after the +1 3rd spell cost, pure is hungry. I find that it eats around 13-14 mana regen (+ natural) when I cycle meteor-meteor-ice relatively fast with 2 meteor cost (dragon's eye build for -3rd spell cost).

The other main issue pure faces is that it starts out with very high spell% and very low base damage. That means that adding additional spell% or element% does almost nothing to improve damage. Comparing a couple weapons:

Pure: 10% of additional spell% adds 88 meteor damage
Monster: 10% of additional spell% adds 352 meteor damage
Fatal: 10% of additional spell% adds 479 meteor damage

This creates some problems when building pure. Not only does the build have to have lots of mana and some -3rd spell cost, but it also means that spell oriented items with spell% add almost no damage and the build has to focus on adding raw spell. Items like memento only add around half as much damage as they would to other builds. There isn't much room to add damage to pure.

The result is the damage actual pure builds get. I usually see non-crafted builds with 10k-12k meteors and enough mana to spam meteors. Non-crafted fatal with decent tankiness builds around 24k in my experience, with the other mythic wands (lament...) trailing behind.

Pure has other weaknesses, like its very fast attack speed and 3 damage types (air, water, neutral). It's very easy for enemies to entirely resist pure with elemental defense; the eye only takes raw and neutral spell damage when I fight it with pure. However, it's still my favorite wand in the game. Casting fast meteors with pure is the only way I enjoy mage. This thread exaggerates pure's effectiveness and I think pure is in a great spot right now.