Assassin/Ninja Help Black Build

No hive
LI Is ok (ez as fuck)
Pref at least 114 intel
Ele def can't go lower than -100 on a stat

 

https://wynndata.tk/s/7p3BWL rip anima infused helmet

 

@12DaBob27 can I post that black build you sent me?

 

hey whats with the cinderchain thats hive too u know

why would you not be allowed to lmao

anyway how about too much mana steal

 

It's abusive and rainbow slap. It shouldn't work, but I have yet to find a stronger black build.

 

just post it, maybe it'll add a little more incentive to finally do something about this shitty building meta

 

I'll give you a hint to the build:

3 of it's items have changed dramatically since the build was made. 1 Diamond LI. 1 Gold LI. 3 Thunder Powders on Black.

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Yea it still gets 10k spins and rainbow defenses except earth (for rage). Less nuts than the starting build, but it's a cut above and annoying.

 

go ahead lol

 

uses hive:
https://wynndata.tk/s/X4giKZ

no hive:
https://wynndata.tk/s/CMfRPc
https://wynndata.tk/s/MAJhfH what even is this, whatever it is, it looks cool. is sp tight, but look at the item rarities and levels then tell me that again

being creative is hard :(

 

The only time I will condone displaying rainbow slap is when it's to expose the stupid OP shit. This qualifies.
Original Build: https://wynndata.tk/s/uMJORQ
As you can tell, the items that changed were Libra (no more raw ele defs anymore), Cinderchain (Significantly more damage now), and Capricorn (Significantly less damage now).
Was really hoping someone would guess it so I didn't have to post a rainbow slap build again. Guess we're gonna have to keep doing this till the system doesn't favor lots of diverse SPs /s.
Anyways, the build has 50% boosts in almost 4/5 skill areas, 8 mana steal, and 10k spins. Chain lightning is good to replenish mana and the only -defense being earth gives the build even more damage while having the highest survivability of any non-elemental defense focused build I've seen. It has got less mana steal than all the other build being listed, but this one is also mostly idiot proof too. This is also the only suggestion that keeps its melee dps so far, as all the others use a lot of -attack tier. Suggestion: Keep your melee damage when building for a stealing weapon.
TLDR: rainbow slap is bad for game balance. Also gold static brace shouldn't be overlooked.

 

Now I understand why people were saying Libra was overpowered...

 

wouldn't call it stupid op, but still really good. rationale:
-can't powder full kill streak without earth def being fat negative

-you have WAY less mana. not only do you have no extra mana regen and low mana steal and mediocre int (68), your chains are at normal attack speed, meaning you won't be guaranteed topped off mana on each proc (note that there won't always be 9 mobs available to hit). it gets even worse when you powder for courage.

Spoiler: dis one is pretty long

-higher attack speed actually lowers your dps. this is due to the fact that you have to spend more time using your melee rather than casting your spells.

this is since as of some update (i don't know which), you can cast spells while melee is on cooldown. so, instead of having to spam melee for a mediocre proc chance and take up your spell casting time, you can hit that juicy 50% mana steal rate and just cast away in your downtime.

for example, playing my brainwash guardian build without my old 1/4 atlas and using synapse made it really difficult to dish out damage, whereas with atlas, i was able to consistently cast 1 spell at a time (be able to cast a spell as soon as the previous one ran out)

tl;dr
with super slow, you spend less time melee and more time casting spells, which boosts your dps by more than a couple of melee hits. i'd rather have 20-40k more damage from spells than like 10k more damage from melee.

-no lifesteal.

 

You can still do 6x T6 and 6x E6 for good earth def (this was probably even more powerful when Libra had ele defs).

 

https://www.wynndata.tk/s/0VxA4y

 

rage black gives me a big thonk

why not just 3 t6 thunders? nice int and also

cool anima youve got there, where'd u find it?

 

why kill streak? you can get rage instead?

I was setting up for a joke. Yes rage is sad on a fire and thunder dagger, but smoke bomb tho.

68 isn't mediocre. You aren't supposed to spam with the build. The point is, you're doing higher avg than the spam builds and are more durable than the spam builds. Life Steal is in the same boat as mana steal; not great. I am aware of what you said about attack tier. The problem is, I kept my melee damage AND my attack tier is lower than the weapon by default. By not adding more mana steal, you negate the having too much mana bit. Also, I upgraded the build with a new item ;)
Again, Rainbow slap is fair and balanced: https://wynndata.tk/s/RVTogf

Spoiler: Build Stuff

If you need mana steal, you can swap out the brace for Synapse or Diamond Hydro. Synapse will keep the damage high, but Hydro obviously has more steal. My real problem with rainbow slap is that seemingly any high level item can just fit onto the build.

 

nu use atlas :P

 

Why is everyone obsessed with Atlas. It's just worse melee DPS than Dia Hydro for maybe +150 LS. That's just not worth.

 

Less time spent meleeing for ls/ms triggers. You can just melee once or twice during downtime, whereas with a higher attack speed you have to be meleeing almost constantly.

 

preface: as i've said before, your builds don't suck and are still very good, but you're making weird points and they aren't stupid op pls nerf

Spoiler: i have too much mana

having too much mana. is. not. a. problem. especially with slow attack speeds
class? assassin.
smoke bomb: every 4 seconds
spin attack: has to be casted enough to stunlock

on average, i can cast ~8 spells in 4 seconds. so enough for
smoke spin spin multi spin spin (i removed one spell because you need to left click 2 extra times)
with 105 int, you'd need 15 net mana for that (16 on a repeated cycle).

with your build, you have 68 int and 13 net mana.
that's enough for...
spin spin smoke :ok_hand:
of course, you've filled in that remaining time with a solid 5 extra melee hits.

you just traded 4 spell casts for 5 melee hits

think about that for a second. the fact that you do higher damage is completely negated by the fact that:
my build:

now, using your damage values vs my damage values (using new build https://wynndata.tk/s/nlaQ1L)
me:
9600*4 + 24000 + 20000 + 3200 (melee)
around 85,000

26000 + 10000*2 + 7200 (14400 if you melee for 4 seconds straight, but that does require 25cps+ (3 clicks need to be done in .14 of a second, resulting in .03666 seconds per click
around 55,000)

so you do lose damage

yeah it's nice to play because it's tankier, but it takes more effort to play optimally due to the higher attack speed. also, read the preface again just as a reminder.

new build
i would agree that it's balanced considering that it costs maybe 4 stacks? there might be a reason why people usually don't make builds using 95+sp blue masks, 14-15sp faciles, 19-20sp prisms, 33-35 sp vawards, etc etc as a recommendation. not only are they expensive, but they also take forever to get most of the time.

https://wynndata.tk/s/AucE5I i hope you enjoy my new divzer tank hybrid build, it only needs 99sp blue mask + 20sp prism + 20sp prism + 9 dex shaggy boots. stats wise, it's pretty good. build wise, it's... mostly just theory craft.

you get the point


then again, you could swap pit out for synapse except oh ouch earth defense but eh