The Least Optimizable Build In Wynn And Why Reworks Are Needed

Just no lol
Warrior's damage potential is way higher than mage - after enough endgame you realize that mage's dps is really limited by the meteor fall time, even with tidebinder you can get 20k dps

And tidebinder's kinda bad

 

I find that incredibly hard to believe. Do you recall which boss this was?

 

"The Item Team" is your reason. "The Item Team" ignores warring and everything else. Buddy, The item team makes items what are you on about, Items don't change how a class is played. Decisions about classes are made by GMs/Admins, so because you don't like the Warrior and its weapons you pin it on the item team? Please think about what you're saying and comprehend it before sending, just know Item team =/= Game design.

 

well, you're partially right

item team is indeed responsible for the warrior's weapons (personally, i don't find anything wrong with warrior's weapons), unless you mean spells

 

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I'm confused what you mean.

Mage is rated the highest in the spells department not because of it's damage with spells, but because it's heavy reliance on spells. The versatile part is because mage probably has the most diverse spells in a single class of any of the others (debatable). Ice snake completely shuts down any melee mob in existence due to it's freeze of their movement and the slowness afterwards, meteor has great AoE and decent damage to help deal with actual damage, heal is pretty self explanatory as it provides either a group or self sustaining system that clears debuffs, and teleport can blind (though only briefly) to help get away from enemies as well as keeping your distance from them. If you aren't constantly using these spells (even in a melee build, where only meteor becomes irrelevant), then you're basically going to get screwed over very quickly, hence why it is rated 5.

Archer is not rated as high in the spell department in the menu due to the fact that it definitely focuses more on range (duh) and mobility as a glass cannon rather than solely the usage of spells. Escape is arguably the best movement spell in the entire game since it launches you so far away and gives you speed 3 (not to mention it's blind), arrow bomb is meant for keeping your distance and clearing mobs, arrow storm is meant to either due ridiculous dps but run the risk of dying very easily or pushing a mob away from you, and arrow shield is meant for either stunlocking or knocking a mob away from you to keep your distance.
^As you can see, archer relies very heavily on you keeping your distance or mobility most of the time, and thus the spell rating of 3 makes sense. If you manage to keep your distance the entire fight as well as utilizing your natural speed to your advantage, you honestly might never need to use a spell outside of escape (hence why melee archer and such can actually be a possibility).

Warrior is rated the lowest in the spells department in the menu since, while warrior's spells are all decent/good in their own right, it definitely focuses more on a tanky melee approach then anything else due to it's sheer defense and natural power as we have discussed.

The only one that's is kind of irrelevant when it comes to its spell rating is imo Assassin, because Assassin also relies very heavily on spells to set up and/or stunlock. Spin attack is godly due to the fact that it stuns enemies and clears debuffs from you while still doing high damage, vanish (while it sucks outside of combat) can provide pretty much free movement around the arena to set up or recover, multi-hit allows you to do damage or knock a mob away from you, and smoke bomb is used to easily stunlock the enemy in place along with spin attack for crazy high damage. Since you have to be up close and personal with the enemy to make use of all of these, it's more of a hybrid than anything else, but imo it should at least have a 4 in the spell thing in the menu, not a 3. The only problem with doing this is that each class has a total of 13 squares (or whatever you want to call them) combined for the 4 sections (range, damage, defense, and spells), so this would make assassin have 14.

To sum it up, the spells rating in the menu actually is pretty accurate outside of possibly assassin.

P.S Bash easily does higher dps than meteor and uppercut. Meteor has quite a long delay for damage, making it's dps much lower than what it might seem. Only problem with bash vs. uppercut in terms of damage is one or the other is better depending on the situation (for example, uppercut would be better for ranged or anti-kb mobs most of the time over bash).

 

by weapons i mean spells and how they work, that must've not been too clear

 

while my opinion on the IMs and their views on guilds (and a small vocal part of the community) is largely negative lmao, this isnt really the IMs fault

its the fundamental way the spells work, its poor optamized for the way wars work

 

@Electrolysis

 

Show me a war viable build using tidebinder with 20k dps. Then we'll talk. You can't get 20k constant dps. You can get 20k dps for one second, then the mobs have either regenerated too much of their health to make your dps mean anything, they're too far away, or stuck in a wall.

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yesandthisiswhyreworksareneededlol
The GMs/IMs completely ignore wars, pretty much end of story. Selvut even said he hasn't warred, and he's a highass ranking member that practically decides changes.

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I believe it was Death Metal

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partially but kinda not really. The warrior's fundimentals are poorly optimized for wars to start with, and the item nerfs don't help. Far cosmos was almost good for a moment, then got destroyed. So did items like:
Libra
Capricorn
All Hive Items
Brainwash

which were typical warrior items, with the relative exception of brainwash (although it was extremely meta for a little bit)
This is why i propose the kb stat, because you don't have to totally rework bash and upper. Still, upper reworking could be nice, as knocking them 30+ blocks isn't super great imo

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Bash does high dps if you have good walkspeed or some way to get to the mob/mobs after they're knocked 10+ blocks away from you in some cases. But this still doesn't cover wars. When you're being effectively gangbanged by 30-90 honor guards, as well as shot at by bishops and snipers, bashing like crazy will just knock them back to where they can be healed by other mobs and regen natural health. Assassin and Archer effectively have bash is one of my points. They have just as much, if not more area damage that keeps the mobs in place so damage can actually be done.

 

Not gonna lie this part legit made me start lmao.
Ok but yeah anyways I can definitely understand and/or see the lack of dps in wars with bash.

 

ALSO, a huge discrepancy, any class can have an easy area damage spell if they want. Quake. If bash was more or less merged, potentially near replace with quake and renamed to "earthquake" or "ground shatter" or something like that, this could clear up, and allow for another interesting powder special. @Selvut283

 

#MakeQuakeTheNewBash

 

imo libra and capricorn weren't/aren't big warrior items but ok

 

They were, libra especially in war builds

 

Libra+capri was used by all classes for wars with the exception for warrior since it sucked lmao

 

yep. Now we have to resort to using a Insulated Plate Mail, a pure defensive, and Memento, with booty thunder defense

 

Anti-static wants to know your location

 

or, you know, maybe hybrid, which is stupid broken in wars

 

But seriously incorporating quake as an alternative to bash can cover both the cc identity that warrior claims while also not knocking mobs a million blocks away

 

gl with antistatic + black