Archer/Hunter Need An Archer War Build

Title explains it. Just need a good war build for archer. Limitations are no mythics cause im broke af. Would prefer no rainbow builds.

 

Me: oh i got this

me: oh

YES YES I KNOW IT'S RAINBOW, BUT LIKE, IT'S A REALLY GOOD BUILD, SO DOES IT REALLY MATTER?
https://wynndata.tk/s/2ojqN4
with an intel pot you can hit 3 mana bombs

 

oof 9k hp rainbow slap sp tight

 

9k HP doesn't matter if you bring a lvl 95 def pot, and just use Ariodo's Dial to make it less SP tight
and yeah yeah i know rainbow slap gets shit but who gives a fuck if its rainbow slap if it works well

 

Personally, I would rather have 13khp and 12k bombs over 10k hp even 13k bombs with mediocre Elemental Defense.

Anyway, the problem with this build is that there's too many variables.

If you use Dia Static Brace, the build will likely cost over a stack of LE because you'll need extremely high SP Prism, Stardust, High Int Capricorn to reach 94 int with mana pot) and Int/Dex/Agi Libra.

Realistically, with the amount of money it will take just to get enough Sp on your items, you'll probably only have like 11k bombs (otherwise you'll easily dropping a stack of LE on this build), and at that point, may as well just run standard Rainbow Slap if you're going in that direction (which is much cheaper and tankier and just as effective IMO).

If you run Ariodo's Dial, you drop down to 11k bombs (and still probably less because imperfect gear), and once again, may as well run regular Rainbow Slap at that point.


https://wynndata.tk/s/NU9ElO - not mine lol

https://wynndata.tk/s/7OjXnS - oof i wish i could put malachite on this build

Consider that your defense pretty much negates Archer's 60% base defense. So, you could choose to invest into Agi or go for 2 mana bombs. You have about the same defense as a 0 defense Assassin with this build but you have Speed and Range, so it's your choice.

 

This is for a WAR Build. Elemental Defense hardly matters in wars, and everyone brings defense pots to wars. So it'd actually be about 15k health with decent defense in the only defenses that actually matter in wars, thunder, air, and water.

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Also, tf is this? 10k health, that's only 1k better than mine, the defenses that actually matter in wars are bleh (except water thats nice), 1 less MR, 2 less MS, are you trying to say this is better than mine? Because I'm going to have to respectfully disagree

 

pretty sure the effects of potions are lessened in wars (defense pot).


i'm going to have to disagree with you here in a couple of things.

-i'm wasn't trying to say that build is completely better than yours, hence why i had 2 empty lines to separate the different things i was addressing. would take too long to quote etc etc. however, now i somehow feel obligated to explain why my build isn't trash
-the build i sent has significantly more int (the less mana doesn't matter with the int).
-additionally, it doesn't cost 1.5 stacks of le to make (wow cool)
-hp is higher
-damage is quite similar to your build considering that only 2 of the items need actually decent rolls
-my build gets concentration, which is generally considered better than killstreak, especially considering that there's not always level 50 mobs for you to knock down to boost damage, but there's almost always mana.
-Furthermore, having your one and only Archer tailored 100% to War isn't exactly a good idea, especially considering Lucky_Creeper is a nonvip (5 classes).

essentially, you're basically telling Lucky_Creeper "just be lazy like me".

I guess since laziness doesn't matter, then take this - https://wynndata.tk/s/pO5QTi

-3k more hp
-mana steal makes up for mr loss for the most part
-significantly cheaper to make, doesn't need 18sp prisms, 38sp stardusts, near max int/dex/agi libra
-doesn't need stat potions to survive
-courage more than makes up for damage loss
-can replace dfusion rings with prisms or faciles to reach 94 int

 

only the sp, the other effects stay the same, but i see your point

 

https://wynndata.tk/s/kx1a5Y

bla bla bla rainbow slap bleh

use dex int def and agil and mana pots, and youll literally be fine

if you cant do li, idk what to tell you

 

@YYGAYMER

 

when sp pots in wars dont work the same as LI or anything else in wynn so not using them in wars is literally pointless

 

https://wynndata.tk/s/4qBmf8
i've done wars and stuff for testing builds but i haven't gotten around to testing this yet so here's something you could try

assuming x is lifesteal and y is the health regenerated from lifesteal

y = 0.49x * 9
this is the average amount of life you will regain per chain lightning

if you happen to have max lifesteal, you'll get an average of 3616.2 hp

 

7.6k bombs typically isn't enough especially for level 100 defences and only 11 def/38 agi sp wouldn't hold up against HG charge or Sniper's storm. No matter how much LS you have. For archers, a lot of agi(75) or a mix of def/agi is needed to withstand attacks and 9.5k with powder special is the bare minimum. Just some feedback, since I can't make a build rn.

 

it is a chain lightning build not a bomb build, note that i'm using stinger and this stinger will be getting 25k to 30k chain hits average
it was basically implied in my messages that the main source of damage would be chain lightning

 

if you're gonna use pots, there's way less stress on building since you can get crazy SPs. Take @highbread 's build here for example. @Wynn: The Anime said

Even just using level 75 potions, given @highbread already has 38 SPs, they'd jump to 85 AGI and 58 DEF! Again, if you're using stat potions, it's a completely different building game, since you're adding so much more to the build for very little effort (maybe a decent amount more if you're unlucky with RNG on chests). Now, if we add the SPs from dex, int, def, and agi like you suggested, we get this:
https://wynndata.tk/s/MCRIKl if you don't believe me: 47(SPs)*4(total pots)-19(free sps on wynndata) = 169 (number of added SPs from skill potions).
Compare those two links and tell me which one is completely broken. According to motoki's calculator, the first hit in chain L is doing 25k-36k and the last hit is 12k-17k. I'd say the pots speak for themselves, but for some perspective: The pot build does 8k melee dps and activates powder special for literally hundred thousand+ damage and gets roughly

per activation, which occurs every 3 hits (powder guide stat). Pots are OP, face it.

 

in a war setting (assuming its standard defenses and not 50 spam) 3 melee hits and 9 chain hits wouldnt be enough to deal with mobs, with out hardcore camping, i mean you can camp and still be successful as anyone else, but thats basically the same as using 1 hand. In general, for wars, quake is better in almost every way, you can deal a lot more damage to a lot more mobs with quake than you can with chain

Since pots dont get used after a war, there is literally no reason not to use them, you'd be hindering your self if you didnt use them, which is why the SP gain from them in wars was nerfed. (from 71 to 21 with level 95 pots)

not sure why you added 47 to each stat when you can only get 21 max in a war setting, which is what the thread op was asking for, but i see the point your making

i agree and thats why they should be nerfed to what they are in wars, idk how the lower level pots convert in wars, but i know the level 95 ones get reduced from 71 to 21

 

all of that is news to me. I obviously never play wars do I lol

every 3 hits you can activate powder specials. if you were only using it once ofc there'd be a problem lol. Quake > Chain doesn't make a difference to the argument I was making, but that's also news to me.

 

https://wynndata.tk/s/AsYPlI
It's the lightning build but gooder
Woahzers 23k quakes and 120 agi
Woahzers 1000k ls
Woahzers literally no sp tightness
...oof negative water def
Woahzers like 10k ls per hit in the sense environment that is a war