Media Summary Of Best Arguments In The Wynnenhanched Discussion.

Disclaimer: I, myself, am totally independent/neutral in this discussion. I just want to get an opinion about who did wrong in this occasion. If the moderators don't want to continue this discussion, then they can close this thread of course.

This discussion is divided in two parties: the mod-makers and the moderators/admins. The last party ended the discussion in the previous thread. Big question is: Did the mod-makers do wrong and do they need to be punished? (nobody will use their mod any more) Or did the moderators/admins handle too quickly and made a huge announcement without asking de mod-makers first?
These are what I think are the best arguments:

Starting off with the issues (later the mod-makers are responding on this):




SilverMirror makes clear that it doesn't matter what went wrong, but that everyone just has to stop using Enhanched:


No mod-makers replied yet, but (Meric) says that he doesn't think they are still active right now:


First reaction from one of the mod-makers:



ThaUnknown was banned on Discord, SilverMirror tells why:

Reactions:




First reaction to the issues from the mod-makers (issues mentioned above):





This explains a lot about why the moderators think there are issues with the mod!

(Meric) says that it is weird the moderators/admins didn't tell the mod-makers about this issue BEFORE they made a huge announcement:


JPresent finishes the discussion by telling what the real issues were, after that the mod-makers don't have the opportunity to respond on this:


On whose hand are you? (please make sure you read the disclaimer above).

 

As we were warned it is potentially dangerous, so to be safe we should just let be using it until further notice. If it is proven to be safe we can use it again.

 

i mean
even if it wasn't malicious at all
its still illegal
and its mean to wynncraft :( :( :(

also, are other wynn mods/packs allowed?

 

Wynncraft does not endorce the usage of third party content, but you're allowed to use them at your own risk as long as they don't break the rules or offer an unfair advantage.

 

I never have used a modpack for Wynn so I may be a bit biased, but here's a quick opinion of mine (may add more/reply later)

I'm going to go with the admins on this one. I feel like they are looking out for us players and probably would be concerned if info would get leaked, so I'm not opposed if WynnEnhanced isn't allowed, at least until things get figured out. Most of TheUnknown's responses are just stuff like "Lies" and "Not Anymore" which isn't really much evidence in favor of the mod. However, Kirdow's response was really well-written and looks like it may clear a lot of stuff up, but jpresent's response was informative too. But for now I'm fine with the modpack not being allowed, I don't think the admins are out to get the players and I would rather play it safe for now.

 

Feels like being a detective bruh btw im 15 k ty
If that's me, then I will definitely go with admins. As someone said above, admins do things for our sake in terms of safety (or some other thing). Therefore, it is reasonable to ban the use of WynnEnhanced before they figured out what the heck is happening. Also, ThaUnknown's response isn't serious, they are mostly "lies" and "not anymore", which attitude isn't really good as a mod maker. Also, he stated that the admins provided no proof of the mod being malicious, but what he did was make the mod has a ServerProxy and he said nothing about it. That makes him being suspicious after all. Kirdow replied that he didn't know wth is happening and he was going to investigate, so it is quite responsible of him tbh.
Well lets assume what Kirdow said was true.
Something pointed to ThaUnknown again. Why did he filled the list with people he didn't like? Somehow I remembered that ThaUnknown argued with Salted and said something about cyber attacks. Right now when he see my comment, he may answer "Not anymore" again, but I am quite interested that why he filled the player list with other people. This may not be something malicious and so there are no one to blame, but I just want to know why.
On the other hand, Kirdow's response was informative but still I don't really get it. Yes, he claimed that it was safe, but why everyone was in the same IP address?

At last, JPresent made a response and stated what exactly happened. Since those proxy thingy wasn't stated, it is normal for anyone to think it can get some people's information, and it was illegal to get other's information like their account password or email address. I am fine that the modpack was banned, at least for out safety sake.

It is quite weird that the admins banned the mod-makers after knowing that the mod wasn't malicious at all, though.

 

From what I have discovered the issue was that the modpack connected the players to the server using the play.wynncraft.org IP, which sent all the traffic to the play.wynncraft.com IP but connected everyone with the same IP address (Basically What a Proxy Is). JP banned that IP, then from all the complaints realiesed it was that it was wynnenhanced. However the play.wynncraft.org IP is/was advertised on the forums for a bit so, Yeah. Idk to be honest.

 

Honestly, people are just blowing this up. The server proxy is probably some misunderstanding with the code, and the admin team is doing the right thing by not taking risks. Unknown really just blew the entire thing up even more screwed him and his own modpack over by being immature and toxic as hell. Feels bad for Kirdow man, he actaully explaned his stuff while Unknown was literally flaming anyone who accused him.

 

Unknown says "0 proof a lot" Hmmmmm ;)

 

All i can say is...



What the fuck has been going on?
I feel like i missed a lot.

 

Considering that the dude behind the mod-pack kinda hid the fact that he hid a server-proxy inside of the mod and failed to kinda give his reasoning behind it, I will have to agree with the higher ups.

 

A random unenhanced guy did PPAP with enhanced modpack and stole everyone's password to make everyone do PPAP

 

I'm gonnna side with mod creator, only Kirdow though becouse TheUnkown really was acting immature. It's unfair to ban people becouse you had suspicion of something being wrong. Futhermore where no evidene of malicious practice was found and anything that seemed ambigious was explained, the dev team are as immature as TheUnknown for not apologizing to Kirdow (not TheUnkown becouse once again he acted immature) for banning a project he worked on; which let me remind you again had no malicious content.

Also I like to say that in my opinion it's unprofessional to just close the thread and not let people futher discuss the issues, and that actions seemed to be done in order to shut down any disscusion becouse the developer team was being shown in bad light.

I don't think the mod had any malicious content, I would even say that if I understand what Kirdow said correctly some features that were seen as malicious were actually implemented to make sure that people can't abuse outadeted mod features, as well as some features were implamented becouse forge suggested them to be added, also those features were not actually harmful in any way.

 

time to use wynnexpansion...

 

While I agree with that statement, I would like to talk a little bit more. Let's take someone who has 11 hive vouchers as example. It is unfair to ban that guy because he MAY have did illegal trades but not really. (dude you can make a lvl 80 class did QH and remove it, quite ez)
However, in this specific case, the dev team have to ban it because of you know, server proxy, player list, etc. ThaUnknown put the people he didn't like into that list, which act was really suspicious that people can think it was some kind of revenge/cyber attacks.

Once again, admins did things for player's sake, so they can't just say "reeeeeeeeeee there isn't any evidence so we will unban it at once". The thing they have to do is to prove there is NOTHING left other than the proxy thing, which act isn't really that immature.

 

oh I do know something about that, thank Selvut

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Not only has to server proxy been explained with evidene to support it to not be harmful, but also the blacklist as far as I know had been removed by Kirdow.

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but there IS nothing left as far as I know. I'm pretty sure everything has been explained by Kirdow and others.