Skill Points Preference Poll

https://www.strawpoll.me/15491500

Explain your reasoning, and assume all builds are created equal and balanced.

 

+2 in each.

1. becouse rainbows
2. becouse majority of good gear requires you put skill points in every element

 

+5 assuming it's for an endgame build centered around 1 element

Because usually I don't use rainbow items, and half of the time like 3 of the elements that the skill points go to won't matter/make a difference.
Most of the time I'll need a lot of one element sp since the requirement for it will be high for the build

 

Effectively you are getting more sp because you are going to use a hive master item and that requires 3 elements minimum, so it's really +6 vs +5

 

i am the same with this

 

Most builds only use 2 or 3 elements so having a larger amount of the skill point you need is more useful than a smaller amount of all of them.

 

hive weapon and accessory lives matter

anyway, it really just depends. in my thunder build, there are only 2 reqs, dex and intel. in this case, it'd be more efficient to go for the 5sp helmet, as i would get more of a boost that way. however, in my water build i have 3 different reqs. i'd get more of a boost for the sp reqs by going for the 2*5sp helmet.

however, in terms of raw power, i'd have to go with the rainbow helmet. i'll give an example to show my reasoning.
lets say i go with the 5 sp helmet for, lets say strength. i'll get a 5% damage boost from that.
now lets say i go with the rainbow helmet. considering i get 2 sp in every stat, i'll get 2 in strength and 2 in dex. that's nearly as much of a boost as from the 5 sp helmet. not only that, but i also get various boosts in the other stats as well.

when it really comes down to it, it depends on the build. both helmets would have their own usage, but it's up to the player on how something like that is used.

 

Depends on what build you're going for really. Rainbow/one element focus

I chose rainbow myself because im a filthy rainbow tank

 

Because of the current item meta and state of item balance, most builds are centered around either 2,3 or all 5 elements. In cases where you're only focusing two elements, the +5 helmet is more useful, since using the +2*5 helmet will only give you 4 total skillpoints towards what you're using. However in 3 and 5 element builds, the +2*5 helm is just better, since its giving you +6 or +10 skillpoints towards your 3/5 elements, respectively. Since most builds use a hive armour of some sort, it's usually better to use the "rainbow" helmet, since you have to put 3 elements to at least 40 anyway.

The reason that no one does 1 or 4 element-focused builds is because 1 element builds are just too weak. They often have subpar/negative defenses and only excel in very niche situations. The reason no one uses a 4 element build is because at that point you'd be better off just going full rainbow, thereby bettering your defenses and skillpoints in most cases.

Personally, I don't think the items are the sole issue for this problem. The biggest issue in the meta is the way the game handles each class and build as if they have to be DPS. Sure you can tank 20k dmg without a scratch, but what's the point if you can't kill anything? A bit less tanky but can do heaps of damage? Why would you pass that up? The same goes for mages using a full support build, if you want to be a support in a tough dungeon/quest area such as the Hive for example, you could be keeping everyone topped off and at full health. However, you're doing no damage to Qira, therefore you have no reason to be doing so unless you've already completed the quest, since you wouldn't be getting a drop.

The game really needs to figure out how to reward players for playing something OTHER than dps. Or at the very least make it more fair to those who are playing a different role in a boss/dungeon fight.

 

Unless we see the helmets that are currently in development, we cannot make a proper decision. +2 in all or +5 in one depends on the item meta and playstyle of the player. The near 50/50 split in the poll reflects this. Stop being so secretive with your items and show them publicly (remove lore and name if needed).

 

+2 on all cause rainbow

 

i don't think any build only has skill point requirement for 1 skill point, but rather 2, 3 or even more skill point requirements.
So covering all 5 skill points will be good.

 

5 elements and you are getting 2+ for each element so you get 10 sp intotal for the +5 in one element means that you are getting a lot less overall.

 

I think that +2 is better, but this doesn't necessarily mean that +5 in one is bad.

Having +2 all around gives the item more versatility in different builds (MSD and Vaward are good examples of this), and often is able to "round off" a build. These types of items are usually used to make a build more viable, and less extreme. For example, glass cannon builds might choose Vaward over something like Leitraich (idk spelling, its the rare thunder/air pants) to sacrifice some of its damage for more tankiness or better-rounded stats. Keeping to this analogy, the +5 in one is similar to the glass cannon leggings. It foregoes a more well-rounded build for a more specialized, specific build. Now, the builds that usually succeed and are viable are the ones that are more well rounded and able to handle different situations, which is why I feel the +2 in all is better.

Another way to look at this is mathematically. The +5 in one gives 5 SP in the one desired area. Now, usually, builds are centered around 2-3 elements (people have mentioned this already, hive armor etc). This means that the +2 in all will give 6 SP in a desired area, and 4 SP that can be considered as a small bonus on the side (assuming that you have a build that uses 3 elements, which is pretty common). So, in terms of meeting SP requirements, the +2 in all will also contribute more than +5 in one more often than not.

So my conclusion is that the +2 in all will be more useful in more builds, whereas the +5 in one can be seen as a "situational" item that is extremely useful in a small handful of builds. Of course, this is only thinking on a very high level. It's given that other stats like MR, dmg, and health etc will, determine the specifics of an item's viability or usefulness. Both "types" of items have their own uses.


*this was added in as an afterthought*
I just realized that this situation could be seen as Third Eye vs MSD. As said before, Third Eye is really only good for intel/spell spam builds, giving up to +20 in intel but not really used elsewhere, whereas MSD is one of those "good all-around" items and is used in tank builds as well as in spell spam dps builds to bring durability and survivability.

 

I was more asking to judge the current state of rainbow pieces, cause it was brought to my attention that a lot of the IM guys think that they give way too many skill points compared to other items.

 

I think it would have been better just to start with that. Perhaps edit/remake the thread and/or poll?

 

+2 in each is more valuable to me. That's because if I have 3 or more elements I am actually using in the build, which I assume most builds do, Then I get at least 1 extra skill point I can assign to whatever I want, as well as a tiny bit more defense or whatever.

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It would be a solid 2, gained pre-id'd, as otherwise it would be 1-3 soul points.

 

2 because it opens up more options and boosts power across the board rather than only one area
For me, if an item can allow me sp all around, I'll use it any day. I'd sooner buy a Libra with low damages and decent sp than one with high damages and low sp

 

+2 skill points on each; most builds are at least tri elemental, so it's more useful

 

This is still a mild example ;D gets more crazy with stuff like 5 hecking sp in every element aaaaaa but definitely +2 in most cases because you usually go for tri elements or higher because it allows you to counter stuffs way better.