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Shimmersight: New Design

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Selvut283, Mar 10, 2018.

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  1. yellowscreen

    yellowscreen Certified Lurker

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    As it is right now, this item is almost ifemtical to morph-stardust.
    But morph’s requirements make it balanced. Where this gives 2 more MR and almost the same sp and HP for less lootbonus, expbonus, no requirements and less defences than morph-stardust. So it’s pretty much a better morph-stardust, as morph alredy requires you to have lots of sp items or to waste a lot of sp to use it, and at level 101 you aren’t trying to level up so the -exp is useless. And if you’re on 101, chances are you can lootrun with another class so the -lb is useless.
    Just do a HP nerf. It worked in making gigabyte less useful, so might work here, too.
     
  2. Selvut283

    Selvut283 Circadian rhythm stuck on Tokyo time ♪ Music GM CHAMPION

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    A severe HP nerf punishes the intent of anyone being able to use it...
     
  3. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    How is this worse than bringing the max mana regen from 3 to 1? This helmet has around baseline health, meaning it has literally no downsides, it could stand to see a health decrease. I still prefer a mana nerf, but I don't see why a health nerf is so out of the question in comparison.
     
  4. Selvut283

    Selvut283 Circadian rhythm stuck on Tokyo time ♪ Music GM CHAMPION

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    It isn't, but not nearly as major as bringing it down to something like 2000 like people seem to be suggesting.
     
  5. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    I'd honestly be fully behind a nerf in hp to 2000 and bringing mana down to 1 >->
     
  6. Stag2001

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    I feel like some sort of hp nerf should be enough. Taking away mana makes it a way less interesting item, I don't think a lot of people would still use it then. I don't know the baseline for hp of helmets, I'm thinking nerfing it down to somewhere between 2000-2200 hp should be good.

    Alternatively, if you're gonna nerf the mana, maybe buff another stat to make up for it.
     
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  7. DragonEngineer

    DragonEngineer Famous Adventurer HERO

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    Some of my ideas

    1: Give it skill points requirement (Like maybe idk 15 SP ALL)
    2: Make it 1/4s Mana Regen but lessen the -loot bonus and -xp bonus (The -XP and Loot Bonuses felt redundant)
    3: Give it less elemental defence IDs (From base 7 (2% to 9%) and 8 (2% to 10%) to base 5 (2% to 7%) and 6 (2% to 8%))
    4: Give it all negative Elemental Damage debuffs?
     
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  8. DeltaTear_

    DeltaTear_ Well-Known Adventurer VIP+

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    Shimmersight is just slightly unbalanced...as of now that is. I personally think that the mana regen should be lowered to base mana of 1 instead of 2 and ading a eXtra mana steal. Another thing that could potentially help balance the item out is by removing elemental defence percentages and adding some negative raw (~-25.) Instead of having the negative loot/xP bonus aspect of the item, I think it should be change to negative melee/spell rather than negative loot/xP.
     
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    About that negative melee/spell...
    Mana Steal and Mana Regen nerf?
    although selvut says it's the lynchpin, clearly IT is mixed on this
     
  10. dead zeffe

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    I think everything is fine exept the sp, put the limit at 5 sp everywhere and not 7/7 bc it can be too much op as an rare item
     
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  11. Stratiformis

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    Nerf SP and Elem Defs. Add an Intel req. for use.
    BTW. Buff Lament, Make a Super WS Mythic for Assasin (Or buff Archangel) and Warrior.
     
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  12. Bleiiz

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    My personal feedback:

    -Mana should stay as it is
    -SPs should have a max of 5 or 6
    -HP should be nerfed a bit
     
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  13. SelectorOfSouls

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    Reduce xp min and max by 8 points (currently -32 to -17) (post change would be -40 to -25). This would keep it's purpose as a "slap on" while also reducing the passive effectiveness of it.
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    Meet halfway and nerf hp to 2500? (that's a bit more hp than half since half is 2450 but I feel like 450 hp nerf would be too much so I'm suggesting -400 instead)
     
  14. Raw_Fish

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    Make it stardust
     
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    i think it should go to its original state (3mr 5sp in each) and maybe lower the -xp and -lb to make it abit more usable for loot runs and farming
     
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    ok, make it -50 and -100 but give it 2mr and 8sp in each
     
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  18. LogicalTitan

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    I think it should keep its 3 mana regen because Shimmersight is one of the few items that doesn't require any skill points making in viable for all build types, most of the other mana regen items are limited to a certain type of build which imo keeps the meta stale.
    However i do agree its a bit OP for its level so maybe give it some more negative stats and remove a powder slot.
    [0/3] --> [0/2]
     
  19. Emeraldruler

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    For nerfing Shimmersight I might suggest lowering the hp to around 2000 or 2500 and adding an amount of negative raw def in all the elements (Maybe around -20 or -30? Potentially keeping % def could allow for some interesting interactions), this would preserve the mana and sp while reducing the item’s outright usefulness for defense somewhat but still letting it be useful in general.
    The problem with nerfing mana is that it would basically become a clone of Morph-Stardust but with worse hp and sp, shimmer is also one of the few items to give good Mana Regen without requiring an insane amount of intelligence.
     
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  20. BuffAirSpear

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    No. This thing is already vaward level or better .-.
     
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