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Media Community Thoughts About Li Accessories

Discussion in 'Wynncraft' started by Major_Lue, Feb 6, 2018.

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State of LI Items

  1. They're fine

    26 vote(s)
    39.4%
  2. Some need a change (state which and why)

    31 vote(s)
    47.0%
  3. Fiber Items

    14 vote(s)
    21.2%
  4. Static Items

    17 vote(s)
    25.8%
  5. Hydro Items

    10 vote(s)
    15.2%
  6. Solar Items

    9 vote(s)
    13.6%
  7. Steam Items

    18 vote(s)
    27.3%
  8. Fusion Items

    10 vote(s)
    15.2%
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  1. Pokextreme

    Pokextreme Avos Air Archer HERO

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  2. XavierEXE

    XavierEXE ♪ Wynncraft's Composer and Ability Tree Lead ♫ ♪ Music Item Team CHAMPION

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    Then have people wear both the bracelet and necklace together and get +2 attack tier, sounds perfect and definitely not op!

    D e fi ni tel y n ot o ver po w er ed
     
  3. Waiter1986

    Waiter1986 Supreme leader of delivering food

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    But this is basically the ONLY situation that dia fiber would be the better option. I mean, i haven't done my research (too lazy) so if u wish to prove me wrong, go ahead. Just cant think of ANY other situation that you would need that small extra sp...
     
  4. LarzLapiz

    LarzLapiz Avos Air Pen

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    0.25, 0.5 and 1 attack tiers
    thats even better
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    it gives like 10% earth damage too, pretty good earth item that doesnt destroy ur defenses
     
  5. McDerp123

    McDerp123 I ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) people VIP

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    IMO we should replace them with mythic ACCESSORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIESSSSSSSSSSSS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
     
  6. T-Flex

    T-Flex At the gym HERO

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    I dislike most of them. The fact that you need to put extreme amounts of SP for them makes them not worth it, unless you already need SP for other gear.
    For example, I am an air-water archer. It's all about utility.

    Hydro

    Rings: Mana steal, extra intel, water dmg and water defense are all ignorable stats. They are minor buffs that serve me almost no purpose. What you are left with is 1/4 mana regen which is too little since there are other gear with at least 2/4 regen with less SP.
    Necklace: Better than ring. Mana regen is on point, but just like rings, other stats are almost ignorable.
    Bracelet: Seems good for Melee, but melee on water gear? Spell damage, instead of water damage, is good, but 3/4 mana steal makes you chose either one of those. Other stats are ignorable.

    Steam

    Rings: a 100 SP for +15% ws? What? Extra agility is almost decent, but extra air damage and defense is truly disappointing. Not to mention you actually lose health wearing them.
    Bracelet: same as ring.
    Necklace: same as above.

    "But the gear has no downside!"
    THE GEAR IS THE DOWNSIDE! You are using extreme amounts of SP and taking over a gear slot for minor buffs. +2o% WS is always going to be better than +15% WS and +10% air damage due to utility being favored by the game.

    This are all my opinions as to why I never bothered with LI. I understand that for other classes some stats might be decent, or even too good, and that's exactly the issue here. Now we have a situation I have always spoken about. Class and stat imbalances make item balancing almost impossible.
    How do you make gear equally good for e.g. both archer and warrior? One has extremely low defense while the other has extremely high one. There is no appropriate middle in there. Such differences should be achieved via skill tree, your own build or a combination of both, not by the nature of things.
    Also the fact that game prefers a certain type of stats a lot more than others makes a bunch of stats obsolete in the end game. To me, WS and MR are the most important stats. Health comes 2nd and anything else is a minor bonus that, more often than not, served me no purpose. Elemental defense is ignorable as I always die in the same amount of hits, or close to that. Extra damage is nice, but as long as you do more than they heal, you are good. I killed Qira doing 3k arrow bombs, so how much damage you actually need!?

    How do you even approach this issue?
    How do you make LI items good enough for all classes but not too good so they don't completely overshadow all other items in game? Put down one fire and 2 other pop up.

    Game imbalance is taking it's toll. It's about time the core issues are taken care of. I don't want Dern, I don't want makeovers, fix classes, fix stats like health regen, and fix grinding (I realize that's not your department), and then you'll have a game people can actually play other than just run around and open chests.
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2018
  7. NicBOMB

    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    My comment was a joke just like .25 is a joke.
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    There really isn't a way to balance that stat across 3 items. Just improving the other items to give a similar dps with lower attack speed would be cool though. Let's say a cluster does 1k dps and is using Cinderchain, so I has very fast. The diamond version would improve the dps. If someone wants to use a strong thunder neck though, they have to settle for krenel or some other funky stuff. Y not buff the damage of the other necks and give em some raw spell. Then it's raw spell and raw melee. That's unique. Then the progression would allow thunder builds that already have super fast before accessories to use items that don't affect tier, and still help with damage just like a +tier would.
     
  8. Raw_Fish

    Raw_Fish Wynn enjoyer

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    Maybe add some actual stats to Legendary Medallion.
     
  9. NicBOMB

    NicBOMB Maker of Builds | Lurks on Forums | 1 Mythic Found CHAMPION

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    it's supposed to be a joke item for people who have too much time on their hands, but would also be neat to have some stats on it. I forget, but doesn't it have a player effect when worn? Like a cape or something?
     
  10. Raw_Fish

    Raw_Fish Wynn enjoyer

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    :o
     
  11. CountBurn

    CountBurn Hackysack?

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    shatter glass is only -15 in each element, not like pandemonium or something
     
  12. LarzLapiz

    LarzLapiz Avos Air Pen

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    the thing is
    the LI accessories have to be worse in every way but with a better req
    so buffing silver and gold static neck is impossible unless u change dia static neck

    and yea i know u were joking
    -20
    -100 elem def just on a necklace is quite a lot
    no
     
  13. e!

    e! ⁣e HERO

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    I feel like Gold (maybe Silver too) Static Necklace should have +attack speed too, but with some bad negatives (like breezehands or clock boots or smthg), and Diamond Static Necklace should stay the same.
     
  14. ghoti0315

    ghoti0315 buff assassin CHAMPION

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    Fiber is actually fine as it is, but you can find a substitute which is way easier to get (giant's ring, shatterglass)
    Static ring is fine in my opinion, but the brace and neck has wayyyyy too much -hp, also above mentioned that gold and silver static neck is absolute trash. Diamond static neck is fine as it is because of its +1 tier attack speed.
    Hydro is fine, but buff hydro ring a little bit (hp please)
    idk solar because I never used it
    the ws of steam is okay, but the air damage just damaged my eye a lot. Also substitutes such as kaze and ftw are wayyy too expensive if you wanted that high walk speed.
     
  15. Risu

    Risu Famous Adventurer

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    why remove the water dmg fa Q
     
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    T-Flex At the gym HERO

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    You are talking about necklace, right?
     
  17. Risu

    Risu Famous Adventurer

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    yea and ring
     
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  18. satbyccdoerfe

    satbyccdoerfe some random golem CHAMPION

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    yeah the water stuff deserves a buff if anything, not a nerf .-.
     
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  19. Lucasario

    Lucasario Pokemon Master CHAMPION

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    Add back the water damage to hydro rings and remove the mana steal. Without the water damage moon pool circlet is better than hydro ring because a lot of water builds ( like mine ) don't even use melee, so mana steal is irrelevant. All the trouble a lot of people went through getting through LI to get hydro ring, especially people who didn't have a mythic at the time ( like me although I have one now), meant nothing seeing as moon pool circlet is now better than hydro ring for a lot of water builds. Also the necklace water damage back would also be nice too, but I admit it is good even without it (2/4s mr and 12 int).
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    #BuffHydroRing
     
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  20. satbyccdoerfe

    satbyccdoerfe some random golem CHAMPION

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    yeah seriously @XavierEXE, pls explain more than just saying
    because
    1. Mana steal is pretty useless in a water build as Lucasario said
    2. How is 1 mana regen OP
    3. 5 intel is pretty much worthless as well
     
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