SPOILER The Eye's Relation With Humans [ Dern -> Fruma Theory ]

Introduction
Alright, I looked into some lore, and changed quite a few points in my last dern theory about the eye. If you didnt see my previous thread, I highly recommend you read it first (https://forums.wynncraft.com/thread...ry-and-what-is-his-part-in-the-future.200237/). Another theory I will reference here is Spyrohawk's theory on the Ragni Government: https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/king-of-ragni-is-evil-theory.191082/ .

Now, here is one chunk of lore I completely forgot about while making my theory: Humans are cursed by corruption, and the corruption is against the humans, not elves, not villagers, not dwarves, only humans.

Now, one part in my theory that I got completely wrong was the fruma part. Here is my new opinion on the Humans on why they left dern, and moved to the 3 (And presumably four) different places.

Why the humans originally left
In the signs from the Wynn Excavation Site D Ancients Cave, one of them claim something along the lines that the eye commands them to bring the crystals. Now, the 3 crystals found in Wynn (Almuj Tomb, cave outside of HoT, and the Dernal Jungle one), all seem to have been occupied by "ancients" before. The Site D one defenetely was, and the Almuj one has a pharoah, and the HoT one has an ancient door, so we can agree that human indeed were here some time ago.

What became of the humans sent into Wynn 1000+ years ago?
Now, in my last theory, I mentioned that these humans could have been fleeing from the eye, however, I changed my mind. I believe the pharoah in the desert was part of a group of humans sent to get the Crystal, and later remained in the desert and died off (Thus, leaving 4 ruins). The ones sent to the house of twain could have just stayed in the HoT area, since there arent many ancient marks in the nesaak area, and the ancients sent to Wynn Ex D... well, we know what happened to them. Of all of them, they all ended up dying off, since when the Humans came from Fruma, there was nothing found but ancient ruins in the desert.

What became of the Frumans
The Frumans, we all know, are still alive and doing well. It is a successful and large empire from what we know. However, one thing that puzzles us is a commonly asked question: Why is magic restricted to the general public?
An answer I thought up was this: To keep close connection with the eye.
In @SPYROHAWK 's (Tagged you dad) theory, he says that the KoR may be working with Wynn Ex to find the crystals. I believe that, in the same way, the Fruman Monarchy has close connection with the eye, and is working to give the eye the crystals.
But why restrict magic again?
If you have Bill Gate's phone number and he can give you a billion dollars for helping him, you arent going to let the public know that. You also are not going to let anyone else have his number, because you're greedy. I think its a similar situation. The Fruman Monarchy wants to be the only ones who have access to the Eye, through the use of magic.

Connecting the dots
The ruins from thousands of years ago are from humans sent from the Eye.
The people sent from the Eye ended up dying off (And the Ancients were transformed by darkness, mentioned in other theories)
The Frumans, however, didn't die off. Instead, they keep a close touch with the Eye.
The Frumans are in charge of finding the crystals to give to the Eye, working along side Wynn Ex D
The Frumans are restricting magic to the public because they dont want anyone else to help the eye but them, so that they get their fair share.

Shooting down arguments:
Arg.) In Site C it says that the Twain bros tried hiding the crystals
Ans.) It was most likely only the site b one, as the site d one has ancients who are most likely dern immigrants, and site a was sealed by humans who were there for longer than a thousand years ago​

 

that's cool and all, but your name is still jake paul

(that's a nice theory tho, i hope we learn a bit more about all of this in the next update)

 

tbh I regretted changing my name from day 1

 

but now it's everyday bro

 

why hasnt spyrohawk said anything yet?

 

This isn't important, but I think you mean "Humans are cursed by corruption, and the corruption is against the humans, not elves, not villagers, not dwarves, only humans."

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but if WynnExcavation wanted to get the crystals for the Eye, why did Amadel use them on himself to gain power?

 

Thanks for the correction

Even when an assistant gets a chance to go against their master, they usually would

 

Even when the master is the Eye?

 

There's a lot of stuff in here that doesn't match up with real lore that's been made in the game. Your theories also conflict with one another.

You are saying that the Humans and Ancients are simply one in the same, that the Ancients are just humans turned monsters because of their time spent in the site D area. There's nothing to suggest this at all.

You are also saying that humans were sent, by the Eye, to retrieve the crystals hidden by the Ancients. But, according to you, the Ancients are actually just Humans. This makes no sense, whatsoever, in any way shape or form. The Ancients were humans first, meaning in order for your theory to even make sense, the Humans in Dern would have to become ancients, hide the Crystals, some time later more Humans from Dern go and retrieve the Crystals, and the humans that were sent by the Eye from Dern to retrieve the Crystals in site D become ancients and start spewing madness about the Eye being bad?

What?

That makes zero sense, and unless there's something I forgot to read, or a detail you forgot to add, your theory is making no sense.

The people to originally hide the Crystals were the Spirit Seekers, Rickeo, Theorick, Dwendle, and Mael, according to Traitor Amadel in WynnSite C. Humans had been in Wynn before the Crystals had been hidden in the first place. Meaning that humans couldn't have been sent to Wynn from Dern, because they were already in Wynn, and had already had the Cystals hidden by the Spirit Seekers. And the places where the Crystals had been hid had only been excavated by Wynnexcavation, as far as we know there was no one to go looking for the Crystals before Wynnexcavation. Technically you are right about humans being in the excavation places before, but not in the way you are thinking.



In all honesty, attempting to deconstruct this theory is extremely complicated with you saying that this current one is true, and the other one you made is also true, while also saying that a certain detail from the other one is actually not what you thought, but the other parts of it that now conflict with this theory are still true. Like, I have a hard time even comprehending what I'M trying to say because there's so much that conflicts with other stuff.

Honestly dude, just start from scratch with this, make a new thread that's both of your theories in one, it's too overly complicated now, too much stuff conflicts with other things you said before and actual facts provided through the game.

 

Most of this theory depends on my main theory. You clearly didnt read any of the links I put in the introduction

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I actually didnt read that, but I think the power they tried to hide was the Site B crystal, as it is just outside of the mansion. The other ones, site d and a, most likely wasnt them. Especially site A, it was hidden by the Pharoah/ancient human eqyptian dudes

 

source?
The spirit seekers you listed existed only 120 years ago are you sure?

 

It was plural. Crystals. They hid them. You can't argue against it.

They existed before the corruption existed. Read the Lusuco library lore.

 

Also, I read all of them as thoroughly as I could. The only one that made sense was Spyrohawk's, because he's had loads of experience making theories. I'm not trying to be rude at all, so please don't take offense, but all of your theories are too grand of a scale compared to the lore currently provided to make any sense.

 

I dont think mine are... In one of spyrohawks other theories he says he believes ancients were humans to.

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Yes at the same time, the citezens of Nesaak rememebr when there was no snow, meaning theorick, as most, was around 80 years ago assuming the citizens are in their death beds

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• Traitor Amadel: They seek the ultimate power, a power hidden by four individuals who inhabited a mansion a long time ago.

Pulled right out of the wiki

definitely plural

 

The ultimate power is referring to the crystals as a whole. Not a singular crystal, because as we know, the crystals don't do jack shit on their own. Meaning, that the ultimate power can only be referring to all of the crystals combined at once, as seen in Site D.

Me saying it was plural was wrong, but it still meant all the Crystals as a whole.

According to the Elves in Aldorei's secret part II, " It seems Gavel got off lightly, after hearing about the hundreds of years of torment the Wynn province endured." That's hundreds of years of torment from corruption sieges and attacks. This one quote can be taken out of context, and you could say that "well the 100s of years of torment could be (insert something that has nothing to do with the corruption)" but that would be wrong. What else COULD it be? It doesn't help that we aren't given a clear date as to when the corruption sieges started, as I thought that they started not long after the "event" that happened 1000 years ago.

 

I highly, highly doubt that they even touched the site A one. They defenitely didnt touch Site C, as there are no puzzles there ,so no way they tried hiding it.
As for Site D, the ancients are there, who definitely are not members of the twain family.

 

There being puzzles has nothing to do with whether or not they hid them, because the excerpt from Site C tells us all we need to know about this. The ancients are in Site D because that's where they first arrived coming from wherever they came from. The ancients being in Site D has nothing to do with whether or not they hid it. The lack of puzzles in site C has nothing to do with whether or not they hid them, and if you ask me being hidden in a blazing volcano is a puzzle in itself. You don't say why they didn't hid it in site A, which doesn't mean anything because this opinion isn't backed up by facts from the game's lore.

Also, I edited the post before this including the Nesaak people remembering when Nesaak wasn't snowy.

 

So what you're implying is that the crystals used to all be in one spot and were scattered by the twain brothers?

 

Well, it depends on how you look at it.

The ancients had migrated to Wynn from Dern using the Crystals, if the signs in Site D explained that right. So figuratively speaking, they were all in one spot. Emphasis on figuratively. The ancients faced the consequences of using those Crystals, and under unknown circumstances, the Crystals were hidden throughout Wynn by the Twain Brothers. I assume this was before the Corruption, as the Twain Brothers fought in the first corrupted sieges coming from the portal.

 

The signs explained that the eye commanded them to get the crystal.

Anyways, the ruins were found when the humans from fruma came, meaning there was a civilization in the desert atleast 1000 years ago, I doubt that it was the twain brothers. I think the civilization found the crystals, and then perished. Kinda like how the King of Ragni said that the ancient tribe in the jungle perished after going after the crystal.

As for the twain brothers, there is no stable lore, as the twain brothers weren't here a thousand years ago, and also here 100 years ago either.