Mage/Dark Wizard Help Lament

I would like good damage, but also good defense.

 

Anima/Cumulonimbus
Boreal/Aquarius
Vaward/Water Sanc
Capricorn

Moon Pool Circlet x2 Or Moon Pool Circlet + Reminder
Nebulous/Foam Bracer/Squid Anklet
Royal Stormy/Calming Torc

If I'm wrong, correct me pls

 

One thing I never got was why people like using lament. Last time I checked, doesn't give wand deal more damage?

 

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He means hive wand

 

Nah... When it comes to water wands, lament is best

 

Are you sure about that? Because if you actually multiply their damages by attack speed, hive winds the dps battle with 375-625 versus lament which is 325.5-514.5. Plus, hive wand always has a static 20% boost to everything, you'd need to get at least a 10% spell and 10% water for your lament to catch up. Not only that, but since hive has all the elements damage %, it means that even if you got max rolls on a lament, you'd get 6% more damage on your water, but you'll have 7% less in every other element than if you use hive. (You know, cus 13% spell applies to every category, which that 13% water only affects water.) and of course powders have a much more powerful effect on hive wand due to its fast attack speed and the ability to have more added to it.

However to be fair, lament has a max of 10/4 mana steal, while hive only has 2/4 regen and 2/4 steal. So in that case, lament wins if you melee a lot. However, water mages don't really melee a ton anyways, plus a full water mage build has more than enough mana regent without that bonus from hitting (I mean Aquarius, memento/Capricorn, and diamond hydro set). Lament does also beat out the hive wand in its Intel boost. However I don't think it really matters, as that Intel can't be used to equip better armor since it's on your weapon. It could of course decrease the cost of your spells if you get it just right, for example if your lament has the full +12 intel and you get your stats to 117 intel. However, thats the only scenario where the intel has a significant impact, since aquarius is used in most water builds and takes 110 intel. And of course the lifesteal is negligent. Negative strength is of course bad if you used something like hive boots, but it never affected my builds so i won't take it into account.

So in summary!

Hive wand:
More base damage when taking into account attack speed
More % boost for everything but water
Powders are more effective on this, and it can have more

Lament:
6% more water damage
10/4 mana steal
12 intel.

My main issue is that Lament can't even keep up with the hive wand, even when i assume perfect rolls. Your average lament wont have as high spell or water, so hive will actually win there. Plus the intel will be negligible, and the mana steal will be far lower, and closer to the hive wand's 2/4 mana regen and 2/4 mana steal.

Soooo yeah. How could lament possibly beat hive wand?

 

Hive wand doesn't convert the damage to water as good as lament does it.
Lament already has water dmg on it.

It just does more dmg, k

 

Nope. Full water powders converts the entire hive wand to water, while three water powders on lament doesn't even convert the whole thing. At what was it, 32% conversion per powder where hive had 5, lament has 3. Lament gets close, but hive gets it done. And it doesn't matter that lament already has water damage when all of hives damage is converted to water anyways. Plus I included both types of damage when calculating laments damage including attack speed. If you can show me some reason why lament would have more damage, I'd be happy to listen but saying "lament does more damage, k" isn't exactly an argument

 

No, it does NOT actually convert it (atleast not fully).
You'll still deal the type of element damage your spells do.
I don't really wanna have this conversation with you.
If anyone reading this can explain what I mean then go ahead.

Yes, you see it on your bow but in reality, no.

 

God @motoki1 knows this I think

 

? It's not really an issue, you can just look at the stats for powders and see how many can be applied to the hive wand versus lament.

 

If your weapon without powders has neutral damage, and you make It full water, it Will still do some neutral damage, idk why, But this is how the game works, but Motoki can explain It better

 

not neutral
with meteor it does earth and fire

 

when you have a neautral dmg item, its meteors do around 2k neutral 500 fire and 1k earth dmg. all neutral dmg is not converted, its's not 5k dmg. with hive wand, water powders do indeed make all dmg on the item appear to be water, but in reality alot of dmg is converted to fire and earth because hive wand is a naturally neutral weapon. Lament has more base water dmg.

Example: With Archangel there is no base neutral dmg. that means that with or without air powders there is NO extra dmg during spin attacks. its only ever going to be -2.5k air.
But with Spring (for example) or ignis (for example) it's bombs have extra earth, fire and neutral dmg because the base dmg for the weapons is NOT completely one element, and has neutral dmg.

This is how elemental dmg converts, even with powders.
Lament does more water dmg because of this, and due to hive wand not needing an intel req, and lament does, it means that the intel increased your water damage, making lament more powerful and stonger.

 

Ahh yeah I've messed up

 

well the reqs dont matter, its just what u need to use the weapon it doesnt change the damage of it

 

well intelligence boosts water damage. and hive wand doesnt need intel so you might not have any intel. but lament requires you to have intel in order to use it.

 

why would u have hive wand with full water powders but no intel?

 

Closed on OPs request.