Serious 9 Dead In Berlin Attack

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....et-in-berlin-1.2912139?mode=amp?client=safari

Speechless. My condolences to the family of injured and dead ones.

Fucking disgusting.


Off topic, but this'll Be my last post.

 

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I think we're starting to get used to islamic terrorrism over here in Europe to be honest.

 

Honestly, in Europe imo its time to stop being so politically correct and humanitarian. There's always some refugee who comes in with the crowd, and kills the people already living there. I dont mean to sound racist, or Islamophobic or anything, but honestly, its time to stop. In a country, the people that most matter are the Natives there, if someone is killing the natives, then they should leave. This is what is happening in Europe, a foreign power is coming into Europe, and fucking everything up. They are killing people, and im afraid that i believe the only way to make this stop is to not allow any other refugees to enter. Thank god that in Spain, there has not been any major attacks or anything like that, and my heart and prayers go out to everyone affected by this horrible event.

 

Damnit i thought the North Korean nuclear program was the last thing in 2016...

 

I don't think you can conflict the two so easily to try to pass "being humanitarian" as a bad thing.

Being a migrant isn't a race, so you're good to go

Islamophobia is a stupid term. You can hate an idea all you want, and reject it with all of your might, but that doesn't make you hate the people that arbhor those ideas.

Having considered Islam and most religions, I have to say that I hate Islam and all of its shitty principles, it's against everything I believe in and I would hate living in a country that has it as the official religion. That doesn't mean I'm going to start hating on muslims who mind their own business.

Islamo-phobia conflicts two terms in one thing : the hatred of Islam, and the hatred of muslims.

These terms cannot be used interchangeably, and thus, people who just despise Islam as badly as Christiannity are deemed "islamophobes" and accused of hating muslims, this is such a dence reasonning.

Nobody "matters more" than somebody else just by virtue of being born in a specific location or to specific individuals.

This statement is pretty weird, you're basically pointing a spotlight on the nature of the victim (oh he's a native) and not the nature of the culprit (who might be an asylum seeker/refugee/migrant/homeless person). This is a terrible way of looking at things.

It doesn't matter if the person that was killed was a german citizen or a bunch of migrants in the name of Allah, the culprit should be investigated and punished to the full extent of the law. If he poses a threat to nationnal security and tries to murder a bunch of people, then his case should be examined, and his criminal record looked at.

The problem isn't refugees, it's people PASSING as refugees.
The problem is the laxism the german governement seemed to have regarding migrants and painting them all as "poor helpless victim of a terrible war", when the fact was that most of them were economic migrants coming from poor countries.

Refugees that actually have a reason to flee a warzone should be permitted access to the nearest land available, and in fact, I'm pretty sure that's in the internationnal law at that point.
Economic migrants on the other hands should be examined on a case by case basis, which clearly wasn't the case for this last guy, who was coming from Tunisia (last I checked, Tunisia isn't a bloody mess like Syria and their neighbours are).

The main issue I have with morons on both camps, is that they seem so keen on trying to either paint all of these people as "brave refugees fleeing from death and misery" or "evil rapists that will allahu ackbar your kids", when the fact is, it's a mixed bag of both good and evil, just like every massive sample of humans.

 

If only people listened to that song a little more often...

 

I saw this, my friend actually headed to Berlin on the day it happened. He's fine though, he's in Prague now. I was rather worried.

 

Fucking Merkel is STILL Tolerating THIS SHIT

WHY THE FUCK COUNTRIES STILL BUY SHIT FROM THE COUNTRIES THAT
FUND ISIS ?!?!

 

The problem is that ISIS has us backed up into a corner when it comes to situations like this. For example, let's say that we ban all Muslims refugees from taking entering another country. A few of the muslims inside have families outside, and if they're killed by troops trying to fight ISIS or die because we didn't let them into our country, the families may blame it on us. And a couple of them may become radicalized because of that, and thus THEY become terrorists as well. Also, keeping the terrorists inside of the country doesn't stop them from using social media outlets to radicalize muslims that grew up in our countries. We literally built them the perfect world to take over, and they're using it to as full of an advantage as they can.

Basically, either way we have new terrorists inside our borders

 

That logic didn't stop us Americans from commiting a mass genocide of Native Americans

 

Let's do this!

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Solution-tron online

Select option

---Good solution(controversal)
-EXTREME MEASURES(EXTREME CONSIQUENCES)
-bad solution(diblomatic)


Solution: NO UNNECESSARY REFUGEES

EU is stupid. They paint everybody as a victim. Some are economic refugees and some are undercover teams of terrorists. Point is, they DO NOT CARE ABOUT COMMON PEPOLE. Why should they? They only need us to pay taxes to keep EU alive. In fact, EU is terrible. Normal citizens cannot decide ANYTHING in EU. We pay useless taxes to the poorest members of EU. We cannot NOT let terrorists in. I am lucky that I live in Finland where the terrorists will freeze their ishamic brains. EU is stupid. I am not. See, EU! I just exposed your Mother! No Nono wait that's my little brother the question-tron 552! AARGH GET OFF ME YOU LITTLE IDEO-


lets leave the bots there. But I do believe I made my point clear.

 

Election to the European Parliament exist and take place every five years in every EU country tho...

 

Ohhh jeez this might take a while

"They paint everybody as a victim"
That's because these are victims of the crisis the Middle East. Millions of people are forced out of their homes and out of their cities to a disgusting refugee camp where fights break out every day and there is often not enough food to go around. Their houses are destroyed, nobody wants to take them in, until they are left with a final choices; the EU immigration process.


"Some are economic refugees and some are undercover teams of terrorists"
In terms of economic refugees, so what? They are submitting themselves to the horrible life of a refugee fleeing from a crisis.
In terms of terrorists; I'm sorry, but that's the price you pay for a better world. Most are caught before getting through immigration. Some get into the countries illegally (and there's no way of stopping that. The ones that come through come along with tens of millions of innocent people, who would practically be left to die without help. It's a small price to pay, especially if we keep focusing efforts onto fixing the actual conflicts in the Middle East to stop this in the future.


"They do not care about common people, why should they... Normal citizens cannot decide anything in EU"
Ah, gosh darn it, I thought we had a democratic form of government but now I guess we don't because this one guy on the internet told us that Europe is fascist! D:
Come on, at least try to make any sense at all.


"They only need us to pay taxes to keep EU alive, EU is terrible... We pay useless taxes to the poorest member of EU"
You seem like someone who would like a world with no taxes. Great! Now, let's say you're at your house and trip and break your ankle. Oh no! You call 911 (or whatever the emergency number is, idk) only to realize that no government services exist, including emergency medics. In fact, the entire government is on permanent shutdown as they have no income. But at least you get that extra bit of your paycheck! (Oh right, because of the lack of central rule the economy is left in ruins and the money your workplace can afford to pay you is meager and meaningless.) You crawl to your car, and back out of your driveway to realize that all infrastructure is in shambles, and roads have not been paved in years. You call a friend and he carries you to the hospital; once again, a government service. There are no publicly employed doctors anymore, or medicine, or painkillers, or surgical equipment... Also no police, no firefighters, no military, no post office...
Your taxes go to the EU as a collective so that they can provide you with services you and your country need to survive; not everything you can buy yourself. That's what you signed up for when the EU decided to join up to create a global superpower, even if France has to deal with Italy's recessions, and vice versa. You're your own country, but that doesn't make you individual from the rest of the group. The US had to make the exact same decisions during the experimentation of government phase of 1780-1800. Why should New York have to bail out Virginia if they have a shortage? But now, after all of that, the citizens are not called Pennsylvanians, Floridans or Nebraskans; We are all American, and we're proud of it. America, and the European Union, is stronger together than it has ever been apart.

I could add more but, wow this took almost an hour and I'm tired. See if you've changed you mind about anything you've said.

 

There's also one more problem with letting a large number of economic migrants who aren't necessarily willing to adapt to the culture they are immigrating to. The fact that some less desireable parts of their culture are going to be transfered over as well, which will lead to those kind of incidents.

 

Ohhh jeez this might take a while

Same here.
Also I typed this on a phone and will edit some of these in later so do not complain if I am vaque

"They paint everybody as a victim"
That's because these are victims of the crisis the Middle East. Millions of people are forced out of their homes and out of their cities to a disgusting refugee camp where fights break out every day and there is often not enough food to go around. Their houses are destroyed, nobody wants to take them in, until they are left with a final choices; the EU immigration process.

The reason nobody wants to take them in is because
of their background. Wouldn't you turn away a radicalist Islamic refugee who might assault your husband/wife because they do not follow their religion? I would not. Those have nobody to blame but themselves. Just a reminder;: A HUGE PORTION OF THEMARE RADICALIST And/OR ISLAMIC

"Some are economic refugees and some are undercover teams of terrorists"
In terms of economic refugees, so what? They are submitting themselves to the horrible life of a refugee fleeing from a crisis.
In terms of terrorists; I'm sorry, but that's the price you pay for a better world. Most are caught beforegetting through immigration. Some get into the countries illegally (and there's no way of stopping that. (Trumps wall) The ones that come through come along with tens of millions of innocent people, who would practically be left to die without help. It's a small price to pay, especially if we keep focusing efforts onto fixing the actual conflicts in the Middle East to stop this in the future.

Well it is true some are normal refugees. But seriously WHY DO THEY COME TO FINLAND IF THEY could just all go to a single place, or EU could do a better job and make sure to put them somewhere good. I live in Finland and a portion of our capital is not ours but the refugees and almost no natives live there. Seriously though it makes no sense why EU would

"They do not care about common people, why should they... Normal citizens cannot decide anything in EU"
Ah, gosh darn it, I thought we had a democratic form of government but now I guess we don't because this one guy on the internet told us that Europe is fascist! D:
Come on, at least try to make any sense at all.

I does make sense. Let me explain. Here at Europe we choose the leaders. Problem is, EU has an ASSLOAD of leaders and THEY CHOOSE WHAT HAPPENS in their fancy little congresses. In the end we can choose about 0.1% of what happens.


"They only need us to pay taxes to keep EU alive, EU is terrible... We pay useless taxes to the poorest member of EU"
You seem like someone who would like a world with no taxes. Great! Now, let's say you're at your house and trip and break your ankle. Oh no! You call 911 (or whatever the emergency number is, idk) (just a little thing: in Finland its 112) only to realize that no government services exist, including emergency medics. In fact, the entire government is on permanent shutdown as they have no income. But at least you get that extra bit of your paycheck! (Oh right, because of the lack of central rule the economy is left in ruins and the money your workplace can afford to pay you is meager and meaningless.) You crawl to your car, and back out of your driveway to realize that all infrastructure is in shambles, and roads have not been paved in years. You call a friend and he carries you to the hospital; once again, a government service. There are no publicly employed doctors anymore, or medicine, or painkillers, or surgical equipment... Also no police, no firefighters, no military, no post office...
Your taxes go to the EU as a collective so that they can provide you with services you and your country need to survive; not everything you can buy yourself. That's what you signed up for when the EU decided to join up to create a global superpower, even if France has to deal with Italy's recessions, and vice versa. You're your own country, but that doesn't make you individual from the rest of the group. The US had to make the exact same decisions during the experimentation of government phase of 1780-1800. Why should New York have to bail out Virginia if they have a shortage? But now, after all of that, the citizens are not called Pennsylvanians, Floridans or Nebraskans; We are all American, and we're proud of it. America, and the European Union, is stronger together than it has ever been apart.

I never said that I dislike taxes. In fact I only dislike the Europe union tax because everybody should be equal right? Well I get tha the money goes to a good cause of helping nations that nobody but eu rules care about.

Also I am in Europe. I have constant notifications about terrorism and refugees. I have nothing against the good ones but I hope after this Chris they go back to their old home.
Edit: I realize I said some vague and weird things and I regret it. I hope I corrected some of it here. THANK YOU for pointing out my mistakes
Edit2: lets end this and both agree that we both made mistakes and good points

I could add more but, wow this took almost an hour and I'm tired. See if you've changed you mind about anything you've said.

 

A lot of your response doesn't make sense to me.
Contrary to what you seem to believe, not all Muslims are terrorists and criminals, and not all terrorists and criminals are Muslims. Shocking, I know. Any single person "might" assault your husband/wife, that's called a crime and it still happens everywhere. "A HUGE PORTION OF THEM ARE RADICALISTS"? That's just blatantly false. These people want to come to Europe so they don't have to constantly live in fear of being bombed, not to attack the people already there. Islamic extremism in the form of terrorism is a major issue, but it is not being majorly caused by the immigration. By the way, most of the refugees don't even go to Europe; the amount that travels to asylums in other countries such as Lebanon, Egypt, Turkey and Jordan is about twice as high as EU migrants. "Why do they go to Finland if they could go to another place", that's because Finland is in the EU and you have to accept that they can't go to another place. Finland takes in barely any migrants compared to France, Germany, Greece etc.

The EU is something called a representative democracy. You vote for the people that represent your country in the central congress. This is also used in India and the US because that's how to get the voice of the people heard. A direct democracy (absolutely everything is voted on strictly by the people) as in what you seem to be advocating for, is incredibly time-consuming, counterproductive and gets the country nowhere.

Your point about gases isn't clear to me either. "I only dislike the EU tax because everyone should be equal right" What does this mean? What is inequal under this tax?

I understand that you want to end the discussion but I really want to get my point through to you. I gtg now so bye